**Official** India v Pakistan

[deeps]

soz i thaught that was the indian national anthem

nope it isn't though it seems to be more popular than the actual anthem

"jana kana mana" or something

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Ganguly should bat with the lower order....

 

[deeps]

ganguly shld bat at 11

 

[deeps]

Ganguly should bat with the lower order....

ganguly should BE the lower order

 

[lord_of_darkness]

I think coming it at 3 isint a wise choice.. Sehwag can either do it big or get out early.. which will mean if he does India could be 1 down early on.. and Ganguly isint reliable 1 bit.. if he doesnt last it will be 2 down early on.. which puts heaps of pressure on people like Tendulkar and the rest below to get back again..

 

[SJS]

nope it isn't though it seems to be more popular than the actual anthem

"jana kana mana" or something

Yes it is very popular and frankly is more appropriate as the national anthem since "Jana Gana Mana Adhinayak Jay He, Bharat Bhagya Vidhata' (the first line of the National Anthem meaning "Hail the champion of the hearts of the people and land, the decider of the destiny of Bharat or India") was written by Rabindernath Tagore as an accolade to the British Monarch !!

It is amazing that this fact was not kept in mind when deciding upon the National Anthem.


EDITED : I stand corrected on this by Shankar's following post. It is an absolute eye opener for me and i am sure for millions of Indians who believe like I did.

By the way, the poem by Iqbal is absolutely beautiful with my favourite couplet being :-

Mazhab nahin sikhata
Aapas mein bair rakhna
Hindi hain hum, watan hai
Hindostaan hamara

Translation :-

Religion does not preach
Enemity amongst the people
We ar all Indians
And India is our Country.

Appropriate sixty years ago and appropriate today.

For those who confuse Hindi and Hindu with a religion, this is another opportunity to understand that Hindi(as used in this poem) or Hindu was the name given to the people who first lived in the Indus Valley and spread from there to the rst of the Indian sub continent.

The fact that we later started using it also to describe the followers of the Vedic scriptures has led to the confusion about the word Hindu and thois has been misused by fanatics of all colours and hues from all sides, those proclaiming to be Hindus and those procalaimimg to be the champions of the non-Hindus.

This poem by a muslim shoes that even in the 20th century the word Hindi and Hindustan was understood differently AND correctly by the people of the sub continent.

 

[shankar]

Yes it is very popular and frankly is more appropriate as the national anthem since "Jana Gana Mana Adhinayak Jay He, Bharat Bhagya Vidhata' (the first line of the National Anthem meaning "Hail the champion of the hearts of the people and land, the decider of the destiny of Bharat or India") was written by SIR Rabindernath Tagore as an accolade to the British Monarch !!

This is a misconception that has gained ground over the last few years. It's cleared up here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Gana_Mana#Controversy

There is some controversy surrounding the appropriateness of this poem to be the national anthem of independent India. This poem was first sung during a convening of the Indian National Congress in 1911. Rabindranath Tagore had submitted the poem as a paean of India's divine destiny, and it was sung on the first day of the convening. The day after, a welcome was given to King George V on his visit to India. It was assumed thenceforth by many that it had been written for the King. However, Tagore is said to have written the poem in honour of God. In particular, given the great patriotism of Tagore, and his involvement in the freedom struggle, people are skeptical that the "protector" refers to the British monarch. Indeed, one of Tagore's greatest moments was his refusal of the British knighthood on grounds of the empire's immoral dealings in its rule of India, a title offered to him by none other than the king (George) about whom some feel Tagore was writing! But most definitive is Tagore's own statement about this, showing this allegation to be myth:

In a letter to Pulin Behari Sen, Tagore later wrote, "A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."

 

[mofo123]

ok now id like to see this team for pakistan
1 butt
2 malik
3 hafeez/younis
4 inzi
5 youhana
6 akmal
7 razzaq
8 afridi
9 rana
10 sami
11 shahid nazir/rao iftekhar/kaneria/arshad

hafeez...plz no! shoaib malik deserves to b in the team a lot more

 

[SJS]

This is a misconception that has gained ground over the last few years. It's cleared up here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Gana_Mana#Controversy

There is some controversy surrounding the appropriateness of this poem to be the national anthem of independent India. This poem was first sung during a convening of the Indian National Congress in 1911. Rabindranath Tagore had submitted the poem as a paean of India's divine destiny, and it was sung on the first day of the convening. The day after, a welcome was given to King George V on his visit to India. It was assumed thenceforth by many that it had been written for the King. However, Tagore is said to have written the poem in honour of God. In particular, given the great patriotism of Tagore, and his involvement in the freedom struggle, people are skeptical that the "protector" refers to the British monarch. Indeed, one of Tagore's greatest moments was his refusal of the British knighthood on grounds of the empire's immoral dealings in its rule of India, a title offered to him by none other than the king (George) about whom some feel Tagore was writing! But most definitive is Tagore's own statement about this, showing this allegation to be myth:

In a letter to Pulin Behari Sen, Tagore later wrote, "A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."

Thanks a ton for this Shankar.

I am surprised though that this is not propogated widely. The other theory is almost universally accepted.

Needs some investigation, I would think.

 

[mofo123]

Vinod Kambli...17 matches...54.5 average and 4 hundreds and he didnt make it, why? possibly the best player to never make it big

 

[SJS]

Vinod Kambli...17 matches...54.5 average and 4 hundreds and he didnt make it, why? possibly the best player to never make it big

Rowe is another though his eye injury explains most of it.

 

[Swervy]

Rowe is another though his eye injury explains most of it.

Lawrence Rowe????

I thought he was hamppered by an allergy to grass

 

[SJS]

It is interesting to see how the Indian one day team - batsmen have performed in 2004 and whether we are fair to Laxman.

Laxman has scored 4 of the 7 centuries scored by India (no other batsman scored more than 1)

Averaged higher than all the Indian batsmen

He got 3 man of the match awards more than any other Indian batsman.

And yet played fewer matches than all of them barring Kaif and Tendulkar (who was injured)

He did not get to play BanglaDesh as others got to do.

And he has not played in ODI's since then !!

Are we really fair in our assessment of Laxman.

 

[deeps]

wow that's an interesting analysis..... bearing in mind that the bangladesh matches inflated the averages of many. Would be interesting to see the stats witout bangladesh matches.

Surprised to see sehwag at the bottom of the list, and ganguls above yuvraj.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

that is a very interesting analysis indeed SJS.. never looked at it that way.. SJS for Selector?

 

[PAKMAN]

hafeez...plz no! shoaib malik deserves to b in the team a lot more

younis not well so both of em will play ,malik would always be my first choice

 

[Steulen]

As counterpoints: he passed 50 on only 5 occasions, and his average is inflated by 4 n.o.'s.

Having said that, purely on those statistics it's hard to make a case for his exclusion. Maybe not being captain, not being a great fielder and too obviously failing on certain occasions are more responsible for it?

 

[PAKMAN]

just heard from OWN sources that rana wont play arshad,khan and shahid nazir and hafeez will play

 

[arjwiz]

What time is the match tomorrow, IST?

 

[PAKMAN]

all i know is its 5:00 british time