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***Official*** India in Pakistan

Arumpnoo

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Pakistan Injury Report:

Afridi & Shoaib out as everybody knows.
Sami down with fever.
Gul might have stretch fracture and is unlikely to play in the 4th odi.
Rao is called up in place of Gul.
On another note, Butt is most likely to be send to dressing room which is very unjust.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
As an Indian fan, would you like to have Suresh Raina bowling 10 overs in each of the next matches? Given the bowling options at hand, that might just be worth a try for this series.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I cannot believe that there is talk about Pakistan dropping Salman Butt for Imran Farhat.

Honestly, has everyone forgotten his brilliant ton in the 1st ODI? Yes he's had two consecutive 2-ball ducks, but he's a class act and should be given a chance to come back. If the Pakistani selectors drop him it'll be one of their most idiotic moves for a long time.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Arjun said:
As an Indian fan, would you like to have Suresh Raina bowling 10 overs in each of the next matches? Given the bowling options at hand, that might just be worth a try for this series.
Given that he has close to no international bowling experience, no I wouldn't. But if we can wrap up the series here, I'd like to see him be used for 3-4 overs in the 5th ODI, as we need to develop part-timers into potent 5th bowling options (as Dravid said). That said, I'm not completely against Raina bowling a few overs in this match (given he is economical). We only have Tendulkar, Yuvraj and Raina apart from Pathan/Sreesanth/Agarkar/RPS, so that's 10 overs between the 3 part-timers. If Tendulkar doesn't duplicate his last-match success (which he might not), then Raina is certainly on the cards for some action.
 

adharcric

International Coach
4th ODI Lineup
G Gambhir
S Tendulkar
3-8 ridiculous flexibilty: M Kaif-R Dravid-Y Singh-S Raina-MS Dhoni-I Pathan
A Agarkar / R Powar
RP Singh
Sreesanth
Supersub: A Agarkar / R Powar
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
kvemuri said:
Ahh..i am not sure which series you are seeing here, our bowling lets be totally honest lacks bite and venom, Pathan is an average bowler but he is young and has time to develop. Even then taking all things considered the amount of swing and variation with which Asif has been bowling (having only played a handful of matches) with quite an amount of bite. It took all of Dravid and SRT's class to take care of Asif and Gul, even these two greats were tremendously hassled by Asif and Gul.

If we had such a great variety and quality, as you say we do, the Karachi test should have been a stroll in the park for us, as we all know that the true assessment of a bowlers or a teams bowling quality is in test matches and not odis. Even a mercurial Glenn McGrath can get panned by a ramapaging Sanath Jayasuriya in ODIs on a given day. ODIs are batsmen paradise, 6 years ago 288 or 275 or even 250 were considered to be mamoth or winnable totals, today even 350 seems to be 200 of yonder years.

Also of the 3 named match winners Pathan was the only one who had a 5 wkt haul in the first innings of the 3rd test, Kumble at the end of his career still is better than Bhajji who seems to be going the great AA way, that is absolutely pathetic and ineffective. Lets call a spade a spade our bowling attack plain and simple is ineffective when compared with the likes of Aussies, Eng, Pakistan, NZL (with Shane Bond).

For India to win tests we need a genuine quick bowler or bowlers, who are then complimented with the likes of Pathan, RP Singh and Sreesanth. Also if we cannot defend a score of 328 runs talks volumes of our bowling capabilities, at some point of time or the other in ODIs when the batting fails and we end up posting a score less than 200 thats the time our bowling needs to step up and defend a small total. With the current bowling quality I have no hope of winning if we score anything less than 350 and even then i am not sure how much defendable that score is for Indian bowlers.
Agree with most of the above except that Pathan is kind of better than just "average" dont you think ?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
adharcric said:
4th ODI Lineup
G Gambhir
S Tendulkar
3-8 ridiculous flexibilty: M Kaif-R Dravid-Y Singh-S Raina-MS Dhoni-I Pathan
A Agarkar / R Powar
RP Singh
Sreesanth
Supersub: A Agarkar / R Powar
If Agarkar is fit the same side should play with Powar as super sub replacing Zaheer.

Actually, I am tempted to include Powar in the side and bring on Gambhir as super sub. If we bat second, that is ideal, Gambhir can come in and replace one of the specialist bowlers. If we bat first, we could open with one of the middle order batsmen.

Powar being able to bowl his quota and bat if required will be a great asset.
 

adharcric

International Coach
SJS said:
If Agarkar is fit the same side should play with Powar as super sub replacing Zaheer.

Actually, I am tempted to include Powar in the side and bring on Gambhir as super sub. If we bat second, that is ideal, Gambhir can come in and replace one of the specialist bowlers. If we bat first, we could open with one of the middle order batsmen.

Powar being able to bowl his quota and bat if required will be a great asset.
In that case, wouldn't you rather make Raina the supersub and go in with a specialist opener. Personally though, I want Raina in the regular XI as I think he is an even better prospect than Gambhir.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
duffer said:
For those who've seen the series, how well have Akmal and Dhoni kept wickets in the Tests and ODI's so far?
Akmal is easily the better keeper. But having said that, apart from one bad missed stumping and a couple of fumbles, Dhoni has been pretty tight behind the wickets.
 

danish

U19 12th Man
honestbharani said:
Akmal is easily the better keeper. But having said that, apart from one bad missed stumping and a couple of fumbles, Dhoni has been pretty tight behind the wickets.
Akmal did however drop a reasonable chance of Tendulkar in the third ODI and the world saw the consequences of that.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
danish said:
Akmal did however drop a reasonable chance of Tendulkar in the third ODI and the world saw the consequences of that.
We've also seen Geraint Jones and Brendon McCullum drop a few big ones in the recent past. Frankly, NONE of the so-called wicketkeeper-batsmen in world cricket are perfect and they're all error prone. Gilchrist still leads by a long way in consistency, speed and reflexes.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Agree with most of the above except that Pathan is kind of better than just "average" dont you think ?
No, he is average. He is your main 'strike' bowler, so he should be compared to strike bowlers from other teams. Let's take a look:


England (Flintoff): Better
Sri Lanka (Vaas): Better
Australia (Lee/McGrath): Better
South Africa (Pollock/Ntini): Better
New Zealand (Bond): Better
West Indies: WORSE
Bangladesh: WORSE
Zimbabwe: WORSE

So out of 9 countries, five are better and three are worse. That places Pathan squarely in the category of average to below average.

Pathan has potential, so he can be one of the better bowlers on this list. But he isn't there yet.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Arjun said:
We've also seen Geraint Jones and Brendon McCullum drop a few big ones in the recent past. Frankly, NONE of the so-called wicketkeeper-batsmen in world cricket are perfect and they're all error prone. Gilchrist still leads by a long way in consistency, speed and reflexes.
I think Akmal is POTENTIALLY a better keeper than Gilly. One mistake doesn't tell the whole story.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I think Akmal is POTENTIALLY a better keeper than Gilly. One mistake doesn't tell the whole story.
Hmm, I am not so sure. Gilchrist is no slouch behind the stumps. Sure, he doesn't have the reflexes of past Australian wicket keepers, but he doesn't have too many Geraint moments either.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
silentstriker said:
No, he is average. He is your main 'strike' bowler, so he should be compared to strike bowlers from other teams. Let's take a look:


England (Flintoff): Better
Sri Lanka (Vaas): Better
Australia (Lee/McGrath): Better
South Africa (Pollock/Ntini): Better
New Zealand (Bond): Better
West Indies: WORSE
Bangladesh: WORSE
Zimbabwe: WORSE

So out of 9 countries, five are better and three are worse. That places Pathan squarely in the category of average to below average.

Pathan has potential, so he can be one of the better bowlers on this list. But he isn't there yet.
Pace bowling is never a one-man show. Each star pacer has partners who help.
  • Australia have McGrath and Lee, with a decent support seamer such as Clark or Bracken
  • England have four seamers, and that tells you something. Moreover, Flintoff is a stock bowler who holds one end up while the others attack
  • New Zealand's striker Bond has decent support, but this bunch isn't far better than its Indian counterpart and isn't very reliable. Take Bond out and they're a weaker unit.
  • Pakistan have one or two medium-pacers supporting Akhtar and his partner well.
  • South Africa have five seamers, and that's a lot. When their star strikers are injured, they're simply not the same team.
  • Sri Lanka? That's a tough call, and they're only marginally better. Of all of Vaas' partners, only Dilhara Fernando is anywhere close to useful.
  • Let's not even look at the minnow sides.
Irfan, in comparison, has to be the lone striker for his team most of the time. Zaheer is a good partner for him (more accomplised, too) but he's often out of form or injured. Agarkar is no support. Balaji is too slow, while Nehra lacks consistency and may just be a one-dayer specialist. His current partners (Sreesanth and RP) are worth persisting with, and hopefully they'll combine well.
 

no1_gangsta_786

U19 Cricketer
I can't believe it...Mohammad Asif has been fined 10% of his match fee for over excessive appealing in the 3rd ODI....i dont remember seeing any!
 

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