*Official* India in Pakistan Thread

[maxpower]

for me it all comes down to the pitch. if the pitch seams around a bit india will lose(provided the **** bowling line up is fit) and if the pitch is a flat/slow track then india will win.

so if it does not seam it's flat ? what about bowlers ability ?
you did not answer my question when I quoted an expert on what a flat track is. here it is I will copy paste again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tooextracool
incase u missed the ind vs australia series let me remind you that the pitches in australia were dead flat!


pitches in australia are dead flat!!!! maybe your definition of flat is different..anyways what do I know about flat track but here is an "expert's opinion" on flat wicket. I quote Miandad

"A flat track is where the ball does not come above waist height," Miandad said.
"There was lot of bounce on all four days and even on the fifth day the wicket-keeper was collecting the ball around his chest. We just didn't apply ourselves like we should have."

http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/03/spt1.htm
http://in.sports.yahoo.com/040403/139/2cda0.html
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2...4/sports/s3.htm

 

[luckyeddie]

Universal truths in cricket

Antigua = Flat track
Australian pitches ¬= Flat track
Certain people ¬= knowing what they are talking about.

Did that help?

 

[Sehwag309]

Gold medals for golden jubilee Test

 

[Lions81]

Universal truths in cricket

Antigua = Flat track
Australian pitches ¬= Flat track
Certain people ¬= knowing what they are talking about.

Did that help?

Ain't that the truth!

 

[tooextracool]

so if it does not seam it's flat ? what about bowlers ability ?
you did not answer my question when I quoted an expert on what a flat track is. here it is I will copy paste again.

i did not say anything like that....what i said was that if it seams about pak will win but if the pitch is flat then india would win, there are many other types of pitches that can be prepared other than a flat or seaming pitch(bouncy,fast,turner etc)

pitches in australia are dead flat!!!! maybe your definition of flat is different..anyways what do I know about flat track but here is an "expert's opinion" on flat wicket. I quote Miandad

"A flat track is where the ball does not come above waist height," Miandad said.
"There was lot of bounce on all four days and even on the fifth day the wicket-keeper was collecting the ball around his chest. We just didn't apply ourselves like we should have."

http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/03/spt1.htm
http://in.sports.yahoo.com/040403/139/2cda0.html
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2...4/sports/s3.htm

so according to "mr expert" javed miandad a pitch on which balls occasionally keep low while others are around waist height, would be flat yes?prepare dusty pitches and see how many runs teams get.
look a flat pitch is one on which the ball comes on nicely to the bat with consistent bounce at a decent pace. pitches in australia were just that and thats why we were seeing scores in excess of 500. pitches in australia used to be fast and pacy like in the perth ODIs where the "awesome" indian batting lineup failed.....twice(and im sure the aussies were regretting not playing a test at perth)

 

[Lions81]

http://in.sports.yahoo.com/040410/149/2chjd.html

Can someone please translate the conversation between Anil Kumble and Asim Kamal at the bottom of the article? Thanks.

 

[tooextracool]

http://in.sports.yahoo.com/040410/149/2chjd.html

Can someone please translate the conversation between Anil Kumble and Asim Kamal at the bottom of the article? Thanks.

*uses all of his minor knowledge of hindi to translate the sentences*

kumble: this guy's a child,he'll be out in 2 balls
kamal : go back to your crease and bowl the ball(using "aap" which is respectful)

kumble : he wont survive the new ball
kamal : says the same thing as he said earlier

 

[Lions81]

*uses all of his minor knowledge of hindi to translate the sentences*

kumble: this guy's a child,he'll be out in 2 balls
kamal : go back to your crease and bowl the ball(using "aap" which is respectful)

kumble : he wont survive the new ball
kamal : says the same thing as he said earlier

Thank you! That's funny stuff. Too bad Kumble was made to look like a fool!

 

[tooextracool]

wonder if partiv patel put in a few words there too

 

[Arjun]

wonder if partiv patel put in a few words there too

He shouldn't. The last time he tried it against Steve Waugh, it backfired.

 

[Tony Blade]

Ganguly:
On some of the Pakistani bowlers being unknown quantities:
We played Naved [ul-Hasan] in Karachi. And anyway, I believe it's the ball that matters, not who bowls it. You saw how Umar Gul did when he came into the side

Does he actually believe that.

 

[maxpower]

there are many other types of pitches that can be prepared other than a flat or seaming pitch(bouncy,fast,turner etc)

so according to "mr expert" javed miandad a pitch on which balls occasionally keep low while others are around waist height, would be flat yes?prepare dusty pitches and see how many runs teams get.

are you saying dusty pitches dont fall in the flat category ? because that's what I thought they were all over subcontinent region and they were called flat and that's where sachin thrives as you say. also was multan track flat or not ? miandad says it was not, damn you miandad don't you know by now there are many types of pitches not just flat, and not flat.

 

[Lions81]

The problem I have with tooextracool's categorization of the pitches is that he seems to decide what kind of pitch it is based on how the Indians do. If they score 705 runs, it's a flat pitch. If they get bundled out for 287, the pitch seams about. Make a decision beforehand I say. But of course the natural response is how do you know how a pitch will play before you play on it?! So I guess there's no way for me to prove my theory about tooextracool's pitch analysis, but it's just a thought...

 

[Anil]

are you saying dusty pitches dont fall in the flat category ? because that's what I thought they were all over subcontinent region and they were called flat and that's where sachin thrives as you say. also was multan track flat or not ? miandad says it was not, damn you miandad don't you know by now there are many types of pitches not just flat, and not flat.

Miandad is only a veteran of some 100 odd test matches, a majority of them played in the sub-continent. What would he know about flat pitches? Ridiculous for the man to even venture his opinion....

 

[Sehwag309]

Ganguly Wins the toss this time, chooses to BOWL 1st

1st Time India will bowl 1st, lets see how the Indian pacers use this pitch

P.S, Inzi mentions Gul is so injured, he can't even walk

 

[cricket_spider]

Sehwag309,

What you think about this test.

I think its 60% - 40 % in favor of India !!

 

[Lions81]

I'd say it's 50-50 still because even though India's bowling first, Pakistan still have actual pace in the form of Akhtar and Sami, whereas India is bowling with medium-fast bowlers. If Pakistan had won the toss and bowled first or if Ganguly had batted first, then it would be 75-25 Pakistan.

 

[Sehwag309]

Hmm..Ya, Like u said 60-40

 

[Sehwag309]

Sehwag309,

What you think about this test.

I think its 60% - 40 % in favor of India !!

India favorites in Bet365..as u can see

Pak were favorite till yesterday

 

[Sehwag309]

Balaji might be the hero of this game