*Official* India in Pakistan Thread

[marc71178]

razzaq is capable of building a platform as well as really slogging out of the park

Yes, but the way he's playing at the moment he's not - he's in full-on slog mode and has been for a fair while - very difficult to suddenly switch and play a longer knock.

let me remind u that at 249/4 moin khan came into bat not malik which shows that pakistan wanted quick runs

Yes, and Moin is to me more capable on current form of making sure he's there in 5 overs.

 

[ReallyCrazy]

I don't have any doubt that India will win all the remaining matches. All the pakistan bowlers will get smashed. Its going to be 4-1 to India. Rawalpindi was an abberration.

I also feel sorry for Nehra. He was just beginning to regain his world cup form

 

[Swervy]

I don't have any doubt that India will win all the remaining matches. All the pakistan bowlers will get smashed. Its going to be 4-1 to India. Rawalpindi was an abberration.

I also feel sorry for Nehra. He was just beginning to regain his world cup form

erm....the Indian bowlers have been smashed even more than pakistans

 

[tooextracool]

Yes, but the way he's playing at the moment he's not - he's in full-on slog mode and has been for a fair while - very difficult to suddenly switch and play a longer knock.

well if the only chances he gets to bat are at no 7 and 8 in the last 10 overs what do u expect him to do...block??unfortunately the pakistani coach and captain have the same opinion of razzaq as u do and they are diminishing his batting abilities.he is a quality batsman and im sure that if he had batted at 6 pakistan would have got to 350

Originally posted by marc71178 Yes, and Moin is to me more capable on current form of making sure he's there in 5 overs. [/B]

yes and he did a great job there didnt he? since when have ppl waited till the last 5 overs before going for the slog ??the last 10 overs have always been considered to be the slog overs and moin khan seemed to be struggling in the first ODI

 

[marc71178]

since when have ppl waited till the last 5 overs before going for the slog ??the last 10 overs have always been considered to be the slog overs

It all depends on match situation - if 8 down, the slog is not 10 overs, but with 2 it would be.

With 5 or 6 down, you wouldn't slog from 10 overs out.

 

[tooextracool]

It all depends on match situation - if 8 down, the slog is not 10 overs, but with 2 it would be.

With 5 or 6 down, you wouldn't slog from 10 overs out.

they were only 4 wickets down in the last 11 overs until moin khan came in and got out first ball..had razzaq batted at 6 they could have definetly gone for the slog with younis khan playing anchor at the other end

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

I don't have any doubt that India will win all the remaining matches. All the pakistan bowlers will get smashed. Its going to be 4-1 to India. Rawalpindi was an abberration.

I also feel sorry for Nehra. He was just beginning to regain his world cup form

I agree, even before the series i had predicted either a 5-0 or a 4-1 series win to India.However i think winning all 5 OD games for any side is always very difficult, still a 4-1 series win for India should be good enough for us.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I agree, even before the series i had predicted either a 5-0 or a 4-1 series win to India.However i think winning all 5 OD games for any side is always very difficult, still a 4-1 series win for India should be good enough for us.

You'll never learn to get a two-handed grip on reality, will you?

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

As big a fan of AA as I am, I cannot agree with that.

Past performance count for little, if we go by them then Razzak should be considered as a good OD bowler (when the fact is that he's a joke in international community).

I'm not saying that Z Khan is a poor bowler, but the fact is that he hasn't able to perform well since the conclusion of WC. As things stands, Ajit remains India's best bowler.


Bhandari has been rushed to Pak as a replacement for Nehra, i would have opted for Salvi or Munaf (who would have an element of surprise with his pace).Anyway Bhandari is also a good bowler and will hopefully give Pak batsmen a tough time.

 

[jpatel1508]

The thread is way too long to go back and search if this questions has been posted already, so here goes.

Why have India not included Pathan in the first team instead of Zaheer Kahn. Pathan can bowl much better than Z. Kahn and is a tremendous wicket taker. Not only can he bowl better than any of India's "pace" bowlers (actually, Nehra has suprised me a lot), he's also a very good batter. India could have a great tail order with Pathan instead of Khan in the lineup. With Pathan, Balaji, and Power...that would surely bring India more runs than expected.

 

[thehellraiser]

originally posted by ajajaaraakarajjajaja(aaaahhhhhhhh):

I agree, even before the series i had predicted either a 5-0 or a 4-1 series win to India.However i think winning all 5 OD games for any side is always very difficult, still a 4-1 series win for India should be good enough for us.



reply:

hahahahaha.........thats funny since u were so lucky to win the 1st odi at karachi.
if the pakistani bowlers had not given those extras ......the indians would have struggled to get past 300.....the pakistani bowlers bowled 5 extra overs at karachi and still the so called great indian lineup could only get 349 in 55 overs.
on the other hand the pakistani batsmen lead by inzamam played magnificently.......
and if the third umpire had not made a blunder ......(after maliks catch....as to who should get the strike in the fianal over)....moin should have been on strike and surely he would have hit nehra for 9 runs.(goto cricinfo.com)
i dont like talking about what would have happened....but some of the comments that this guy makes force me to do so.
u should appreciate the crikcet and not make ludicrous comments such as the ones that u make.
it is gonna be a closely contested series......and if u cant see that then i feel sorry for u....
and i am beginning tothink that the pakistani batting lineup is stronger than the indians.....especially if u have gangullly in your side.....the guy got out 3 times while making only 15.....hahahahhaaha.....he is seriously a joke......and when it comes to the tests....the paksiatnis should win that series comfortably....coz i can see shoaib and sami creating havoc(with the exception of tendulkar and dravid)

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

Please next time to write "hahaha", its very annoying.

IF Pak bowler bolwed wides and No ball and it helped India to win, then it only shows a failure on the art of Pak bowler.If Pak tv umpire made a mistake then it only shows incompetence on the part of Pak umpire.How can Indians be held responsible for it???



To say that Pak batting is stroinger than India is probably the biggest joke of this century. Pak batting is only stronger than Bangladesh, except for Inzi and Youhanna all others wouldn't had progressed beyond club level had they played their cricket in India.


And here's my prediction for next matches, Sami is going to get hammered once again, he did well in 2nd one dayer, but knowing Sami he won't be able to perform well in the entire series.

 

[thehellraiser]

hahahahahahaha
u make me laugh ajagarakaraajajaaja

in the last one year which series has the indian team won......zilch....nothing

whereas the paistanis have won against the like of south africa and newzealand(by the way the indians could not be the kiwis on home ground)

and when u say that the paksitani batting lineup is better that the bangladeshis.....u r right....it is also better than the indian batting lineup with the exception of dravid and tendulkar

just go back and see the way that yasir hameed played in the match.....afridi hammered everyone......ganguly had no clue what to do .....

younis khan and razzaq have also been competent

and i think the paistan team have also got the edge on more front.....i did not think that i would say this.....but based upon the series so far....inzi's captaincy has been better than ganguly's

inzi made some very clever bowling changes in the 2nd odi while ganguly has been appauling with his bolwing changes

and if the paistanis had not given so many extras .....the indians would have not got that total....which was a mistake by the bowlers and was quilckly rectified in the 2nd odi

and i never said that it was the fault of the indian team that the umpire made a mistake as to who should face the last over....i was just saying(and rightly so i believe) that the indians were very very very very lucky.........

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

So now that Afridi has made 80, he is your God now?

One swallow doesn't make a summer. Afridi remains a joke in International cricket. The wickets in subcontinent suits a flat track bully like him, but he's NEVER EVER going to establish himself as a good batsmen.

The whole world knows that Laxman is a class act, that Sehwag,Yuvraj and Kaif are wonderful batsmen.Sorry, i won't like to compare Indian batting with that of Pak, to me its just an insult to imagination.

As for Inzi' being better captain, that got be be a laugh. Many Former Pak captains and players including Mushtaq Mohd, described Inzi as a defensive captain but was full of praise for Ganguly. Interestinly Dean Jones called Inzi an Idiot.

Now why waste ur post talking about an I. . . .?

 

[thehellraiser]

reply to agarajajajaja:

unlike u .....i dont consider any human being to be my god
whereas u will take any tom **** and harry to be your god(remember ur statement about the indian batsmen as gods)
just shows how strong ur beliefs are

i myself believed inzi to be a defensive captain......but he has been very calculating in this series........and as far as dean jones is concerned....he is considered to be an idiot by many....shane warne even in one of the award functions said something to this effect....since the world cup india have been over hyped under achivers and chokers(sunil gavaskar) and all under ganguly.....the guy has had no clue what to do under pressure......pakisan have been winning series under inzi.....and that counts for more than posing for the camera and making stupid statements in press conferences(which is all that ganguly seems to be able to do)

sehwag is a batsmen that is found in any team in international cricket.....he is not a class act......yuvraj is over hyped ....when wwas the last time that he played a useful innings.......kaif is an over achiever who has not done anything worth a mention since the natwest trophy final

and afridi surprised many with his performance.....and if he is a joke .....then what do u call ganguly.....afridi made more runs in 1 innings that ganguly has made in 4(he got out in rawalpind 3 times)

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

First of all when i use the term "god" for Indian batsmen (and i still stick to it) i don't mean someone good enough to be worshipped.I just mean that they are the ultimate.

Inzi has not impressed anyone with his captaincy, he's a good batman but a very poor leader.Rashid Lateef has recently said that the Moin Khan is the actual brain of the team. Pak team didn't win much under Inzi simply coz Inzi hasn't played much series as a captian.

Look at Ganguly achievement as a skipper.

He lead India to WC final.

He lead to a series win against Aus (in india)

He drew the series against Aus in AUs ( noone even imagined that India would have even won a single match)

He lead India to most OD tour finals.

Also Ganguly inspires the Indian team, he has encouraged younster to play to their optimal level, and the result is that youngsters like Ajit,Yuvraj,Sehwag,Kaif,Badani, Pathan and Patel are proving to be stars in cricket world.


If Sehwag is in every team (as you claims so) then he's certainly invisible. The whole world knows that there is only one sehwag, the bowlers all over the world fears Sehwag, ask Akhter and he will tell you how terrified he is while bowling to the master blaster.

As far as Afridi is concerned, he did make more runs than Ganguly, but as i said earlier "one swallow doesn't a summer make" If one performance is enough then Afridi should be better than even Youhanna and Younis.


I think i will stat a new thread on S Afridi, let see how many people actually rates that clown.

 

[thehellraiser]

clown...?
the only clown in this series is ganguly........

and akhtar is not terrified of any bowler
but the indians are having nightmares courtesy of the great shoaib akhtar
i just hope that people like ganguly are not creating a mess in the hotel rooms ....while having nightmares(if u know what i mean)

symonds....gibbs....are just 2 examples of players who are destructive like sehwag and i strongly believe are better than the over rated sehwag

starsky and hutch would make better players that yuvraj and kaif

i dont think i need to say anything about the indian bowling.....
namibia may be competent
the indian bowling is a joke

 

[thehellraiser]

ganguly inspires the team?
the only inspiration that ganguly gives is how to bite and chew ones nails
thats all he does......he is always seen eating his nails....he runs out of ideas when the situation gets tight.......dravid and tendulkar have been visible making the important decisions while he is just standing their eating his nails

 

[Sanz]

I guess ajagarkarajajajaja has found a match in thehellraiser. May God bless them both and have some mercy on us.

 

[ajaagarkarajaaja]

I guess ajagarkarajajajaja has found a match in thehellraiser. May God bless them both and have some mercy on us.

Sorry, but unlike Hell i don't live in a fantasy world.

and akhtar is not terrified of any bowleri just hope that people like ganguly are not creating a mess in the hotel rooms ....while having nightmares(if u know what i mean)

I never said that Akhter was terrified of any bowler, but yes he's terrified of Indian batsmen. Akhter is on record saying that he had nightmares of Sachin hammering him after the "03 match!!
And Ganguly having Nightmares...LOL Ganguly is the captain of Indian team, had he been skipping Pak team, i would have agreed with ur statement

namibia may be competentthe indian bowling is a joke

Indian bowling is competent, Pak bowling is all hyped.Indian bowlers don't give away 40-50 extrras in a match, India have quality pacers in Ajit,Nehra and promissing youngsters in Pathan and Balaji (even ur president has been full of praise of the latter)
Pak on other hand just rely on akhter.

dravid and tendulkar have been visible making the important decisions while he is just standing their eating his nails

Atleast he is not seen sleepwalking in cricket matches (unlike his counterpart)