***Official*** India in England 2014

[Jono]

GI Joe. Indeed.

Camera being turned off/not working is dodgy as **** and if tables were turned people would be claiming BCCI or whatever cricket ground are bull****ting with this camera not working business. No doubt.

 

[91Jmay]

Camera was turned off throughout the whole match. 'Leave India alone'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
So, so precious.

Hope the morally sanctimonious Dhoni has reported Rayudu to the ICC after his abuse of an umpire in the India/Aus A game btw. Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would he.

 

[harsh.ag]

'Leave India alone'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
So, so precious.

Hope the morally sanctimonious Dhoni has reported Rayudu to the ICC after his abuse of an umpire in the India/Aus A game btw. Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would he.

Are you on meth?

 

[marc71178]

If we hadn't dropped CJ the first time round, I'd agree but you can't drop a player after one test in a series, bring him back for one test and then drop him again.

The selectors need to hold their nerve with him because we don't have great bowling stocks at the moment and we need to stop destroying new bowlers confidence by bringing them in and dropping them so easily

Oh I agree, far better to keep him in she he's bowling **** isn't it?

I think the first dropping was reasonable anyway he wasn't pulling up any trees and was clearly behind Stokes in the pecking order so wasn't playing as a first choice anyway.

 

[Jono]

Camera was turned off throughout the whole match. 'Leave India alone'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
So, so precious.

Hope the morally sanctimonious Dhoni has reported Rayudu to the ICC after his abuse of an umpire in the India/Aus A game btw. Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would he.

 

[Johann]

Oh I agree, far better to keep him in she he's bowling **** isn't it?

I think the first dropping was reasonable anyway he wasn't pulling up any trees and was clearly behind Stokes in the pecking order so wasn't playing as a first choice anyway.

This is the sort of short-termism we really need to get away from though. It's pretty clear that he's been affected by being dropped and so I'm just a bit uncomfortable with doing it again.

He shouldn't really have leap-frogged Woakes in the test team in the first place really - even when he was bowling well in the ODI team he did not look ready for test cricket to my eyes

 

[shankar]

The real thing that pissed most people off was Tendulkar's testimony.

Based entirely on the myth in the Australian media that he changed his testimony from the Proctor to the Hansen hearing.

 

[hendrix]

It sounds like Jadeja did turn around aggressively and if I'm picturing it right I'm imagining it to be physically threatening enough to prompt a reactionary push from Anderson.

I don't know why Jadeja didn't just tell Anderson to stfu.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm just glad it's over. Handbags at dawn between two pricks, off the field. It's time they all got over it.

 

[GIMH]

I'm just glad it's over. Handbags at dawn between two pricks, off the field. It's time they all got over it.

Well as petty as it was, a claim was only ever laid by England in response to India. The blame for this saga lies firmly with fat Dunc and co

 

[Burgey]

GI Joe. Indeed.

Camera being turned off/not working is dodgy as **** and if tables were turned people would be claiming BCCI or whatever cricket ground are bull****ting with this camera not working business. No doubt.

Of course they would, because India has form in being dodgy. It's their standard modus operandus.

 

[Salamuddin]

Oh please. I cant stand the victim blaming. I completely believe Symonds. There had been atrocious racism directed at him in india by some despicable racist morons who would do monkey chants. And we know harbhajan is a **** and i have no doubt he channeled the same disgusting thoughts. He should have been banned for a long time.

Edit: not saying you're doing this - but I hated the discussion at the time. Pissed me off to no end.

Don't see the relevance of the racism directed by members of the crowd in that odi series to symonds to what harbhajan May or may not have said to symonds himself. Fact is there has never has been any concrete evidence that proved harbhajan said something racist to symonds.

If we ignore evidence for a moment and go by who we think is to blame in that situation my take on it is that Australians certainly weren't the innocent victims they made themselves to be. Harby alleged that the Australians had said some crude and nasty stuff about his family lineage in that odi series beforehand but nothing was done about that. And in that episode in the sydney test it was pretty much acknowledged that the Aussies provoked the incident in question. Harbhajan may have said whathe said but even so I don't have a lot of sympath for the Aussie team. Their moral outrage in the wake of that incident at the allegedly nefarious role of the bcci was also laughable as they happily signed up a few months later for thee IPl when the bcci pulled out its check book.

 

[the big bambino]

Based entirely on the myth in the Australian media that he changed his testimony from the Proctor to the Hansen hearing.

Was the teri maki defence submitted to the Proctor hearing? Did he say at the same hearing he was too far away to hear Harby?

 

[Salamuddin]

Based entirely on the myth in the Australian media that he changed his testimony from the Proctor to the Hansen hearing.[/QUOTE

Shhhhh.. Not too loud. Lord Burgey of wentworthville belives tendulkar is guilty regardless of the facts. Ergo hE must be guilty.

 

[Salamuddin]

Was the teri maki defence submitted to the Proctor hearing? Did he say at the same hearing he was too far away to hear Harby?

Symonds admitted before Hansen that he couldn't be sure what harbhajan had said yet he was absolutely convinced before proctor that he was guilty. So I guess the Aussies had selective memory as well

 

[the big bambino]

Thanks, but 2 things:

1) Thats not what I asked.
2) You're not the person I asked.

 

[Dan]

Don't see the relevance of the racism directed by members of the crowd in that odi series to symonds to what harbhajan May or may not have said to symonds himself. Fact is there has never has been any concrete evidence that proved harbhajan said something racist to symonds.

If we ignore evidence for a moment and go by who we think is to blame in that situation my take on it is that Australians certainly weren't the innocent victims they made themselves to be. Harby alleged that the Australians had said some crude and nasty stuff about his family lineage in that odi series beforehand but nothing was done about that. And in that episode in the sydney test it was pretty much acknowledged that the Aussies provoked the incident in question. Harbhajan may have said whathe said but even so I don't have a lot of sympath for the Aussie team. Their moral outrage in the wake of that incident at the allegedly nefarious role of the bcci was also laughable as they happily signed up a few months later for thee IPl when the bcci pulled out its check book.

I don't care what provocation there may or may not have been; that doesn't make it acceptable to racially abuse someone. Not that dissimilar from the "she was asking for it" logic trotted out from time to time.

Yeah, if you give it you have to be prepared to get it back; but racial abuse is plainly unacceptable at any time.

That's not a judgement on what Harbhajan said or didn't say, but a more general point, ftr.

 

[the big bambino]

An issue is that alot of people who accuse Australia of being hypocritical are hypocrites themselves. Australians (well Boof at least) had been found guilty of racially abusing players. If people complain that Australia should be punished for failing to abide by laws than it is also fair we seek redress by them. The idea that Australia should not complain bcos we are "master sledgers" is an example of that hypocrisy.

Additionally Symonds memory wasn't selective. He just said he couldn't distinguish btwn monkey and maki. But the confusion only arose after the defence was altered.

 

[Salamuddin]

I don't care what provocation there may or may not have been; that doesn't make it acceptable to racially abuse someone. Not that dissimilar from the "she was asking for it" logic trotted out from time to time.

Yeah, if you give it you have to be prepared to get it back; but racial abuse is plainly unacceptable at any time.

That's not a judgement on what Harbhajan said or didn't say, but a more general point, ftr.

I don't think it was acceptable that Australia insulted Harbhajans family and lineage in the first place.

 

[Salamuddin]

An issue is that alot of people who accuse Australia of being hypocritical are hypocrites themselves. Australians (well Boof at least) had been found guilty of racially abusing players. If people complain that Australia should be punished for failing to abide by laws than it is also fair we seek redress by them. The idea that Australia should not complain bcos we are "master sledgers" is an example of that hypocrisy.

Additionally Symonds memory wasn't selective. He just said he couldn't distinguish btwn monkey and maki. But the confusion only arose after the defence was altered.

The Aussies had made it out like they were innocent angels in that whole episode despite the fact that they had also taunted and insulted harbhajan pretty nastily. How is that not hypocrisy ?