**Official** India in Bangladesh Thread

[honestbharani]

Considering how Shane Warne's averages always bulges down with his wickets of the tailenders after the pacers have done their job, I don't think there is anything wrong with Pathan bringing down his average by doing well against the substandard teams like Bangladesh.

 

[tooextracool]

Which I think is fair considering that he had only played strong teams like Aus, Pak and 1 vs SA before this.

thats the worst excuse ive ever heard? he fails against all test class opposition and he gets his average boosted with 11 wickets against b'desh and now he has an average of under 30 when in fact it deserves to be over 40.
and its funny how you talk of SA and pak as though they are the strongest teams in the world, when in fact neither of them are particularly brilliant. in fact if ind were to come out of the recent series against SA with anything other than a win it would have been considered a disgrace.

 

[tooextracool]

geez, are you ever positive??

he has played very high level teams of recent. If Bangladesh are a Test-team, then he cant (and wont) do anything to change his averages.

oh yes SA and pakistan very high indeed
i dont appreciate bowlers who get their average raised by performances against minnows, they need to prove it by performing against the top quality teams. pathan hasnt done that yet, and therefore his average is extremely flattering.

 

[tooextracool]

Considering how Shane Warne's averages always bulges down with his wickets of the tailenders after the pacers have done their job, I don't think there is anything wrong with Pathan bringing down his average by doing well against the substandard teams like Bangladesh.

oh yes shane warne averages over 40 against the top order doesnt he?
and why is it not surprising that if mcgrath and co keep running thro the top order that warne gets most of his chances against the lower order?

 

[honestbharani]

Going by your arguments, the highest class of spin players are in India and Warne averages so high against us that he should not be considered great, right? Remember that Pathan is only 19 and has played on mostly flat wickets which are not as conjusive for seamers as some of the other tracks have been. BTW, are you suggesting that Pathan is not TEST CLASS?

 

[honestbharani]

oh yes shane warne averages over 40 against the top order doesnt he?
and why is it not surprising that if mcgrath and co keep running thro the top order that warne gets most of his chances against the lower order?

It is not like he has done well everytime he has gotten the chance against the top order,either, you know.

 

[Jono]

Many people on this board dislike young players who are hyped up and praised. Clarke and Pathan are very good examples actually.

 

[marc71178]

Maybe because it takes more than a handful of games to be classed a success.

Look at the start Andrew Strauss has made in International Cricket, but has anyone mentioned of him as being World Class?

No, because we don't like to overhype people based on very little.

 

[Jono]

Because all people hyping Pathan are Indians now aren't they?

What an absolute ridiculous post.

 

[marc71178]

No, actually, just pointing out what is happening - where have I mentioned any nationalities except to point out that English don't overhype?

 

[Jono]

No, actually, just pointing out what is happening - where have I mentioned any nationalities except to point out that English don't overhype?

LOL! That's kind of silly isn't it? That's obviously what I was referring to. That's like asking "When did I say so and so was a poor player, other than before the test series?" following a player scoring 2 tons.

You stereotyped that the English don't hype their players, speaking for every English cricket fan there is. You can't 'point out' things like that. What you were implying was clear... clear and irrelevant. So you did bring nationality into it.

 

[Arjun]

Captain Cold Feet......and a Yes-Man Coach

Neither Saurav nor Wright want to implement any 'major changes' for the next team. Maybe their idea of a major change would even be replacing at least TWO of the out-of-form and redundant VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid and Harbhajan Singh. Were the in-form Mohammed Kaif and Gagandeep Singh picked just to warm the benches? They're both in good form and can outperform some of their superiors in this series.

WHAT are they afraid of? Will Mohammed Rafique score a quickfire double century if Gagandeep Singh bowls and not Harbhajan? Will Rajin Saleh have Kaif out on first ball? Clearly, only the Jamal Pashas and Jayesh groups can pose a bigger threat than this so-called opposition.

If they continue with such rigid policies rather than improve upon things, one may see the Bangladeshis level the series! Remember what they did in the West Indies?

 

[Deja moo]

Captain Cold Feet......and a Yes-Man Coach

Neither Saurav nor Wright want to implement any 'major changes' for the next team. Maybe their idea of a major change would even be replacing at least TWO of the out-of-form and redundant VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid and Harbhajan Singh. Were the in-form Mohammed Kaif and Gagandeep Singh picked just to warm the benches? They're both in good form and can outperform some of their superiors in this series.

WHAT are they afraid of? Will Mohammed Rafique score a quickfire double century if Gagandeep Singh bowls and not Harbhajan? Will Rajin Saleh have Kaif out on first ball? Clearly, only the Jamal Pashas and Jayesh groups can pose a bigger threat than this so-called opposition.

If they continue with such rigid policies rather than improve upon things, one may see the Bangladeshis level the series! Remember what they did in the West Indies?

I agree there. India should be adventurous and play atleast one of the newbies instead of one of the spinners.

 

[Jono]

I'd like to see Dravid get a test off for Kaif to get a deserved rest, and Harbhajan as well.

 

[Deja moo]

I'd like to see Dravid get a test off for Kaif to get a deserved rest, and Harbhajan as well.

Dravid ?
What if he wants to extend his record of 85 consecutive appearances even further?

 

[viktor]

Captain Cold Feet......and a Yes-Man Coach


WHAT are they afraid of? Will Mohammed Rafique score a quickfire double century if Gagandeep Singh bowls and not Harbhajan?

can't understand why u would replace harbhajan with gagandeep... pathan or zak would be more likely candidates for that

 

[Jono]

Dravid ?
What if he wants to extend his record of 85 consecutive appearances even further?

True, I did forget about that. That is quite an achievement, but if he is worn out (not saying he is) then a break is much better than that record.

 

[tooextracool]

Going by your arguments, the highest class of spin players are in India and Warne averages so high against us that he should not be considered great, right?

and how many spinners have done well in india in the long run? if we were to look at it in that manner we'd find that they are no quality spinners around.

Remember that Pathan is only 19 and has played on mostly flat wickets which are not as conjusive for seamers as some of the other tracks have been.

which doesnt make it right for his average to drop to below 30 by playing against rubbish opposition. IMO he hasnt bowled well enough to average anywhere less than 40.

BTW, are you suggesting that Pathan is not TEST CLASS?

of course he deserves to be in the test side, but he hasnt done anything yet to suggest that he is a 'proven' test class bowler yet has he? besides the odd beauty like the ball to gilchrist hes struggled with penetration at the test match level, and his average indicates that.

 

[tooextracool]

It is not like he has done well everytime he has gotten the chance against the top order,either, you know.

and name me a bowler that has done well in every game against the top order now?

 

[tooextracool]

Maybe because it takes more than a handful of games to be classed a success.

Look at the start Andrew Strauss has made in International Cricket, but has anyone mentioned of him as being World Class?

No, because we don't like to overhype people based on very little.

to be fair neither of clarke or strauss are 'proven' test class let alone world class. i still would like to see strauss score consistently outside lords and i still have my doubts about clarke's ability against quality pace bowling. personally i hope that clarke ends up being a complete failure at the test match level, not because i dont like him, but because of the way hes been hyped up as though hes already a legend in both forms of the game.