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*Official* Fourth Test (Old Trafford, Manchester) 19-23 July
- Thread starter GIMH
- Start date
Third_Man
State 12th Man
Neser playing for Glamorgan in the county championship today
CartyDurham
International Captain
I haven’t had a warning but plenty of verbal mentions
I’m trying to get the gist of this forum now so will understand better as we go along
CartyDurham
International Captain
Not quite yet
Glamorgan are batting first but there’s been little play yet
Maxwell scored 81 off 67 balls today for Warwickshire
mackembhoy
International Debutant
Rained for 2 days in Cardiff only been 5 balls by Leics.
They are getting on at 530. So Neser unlikely to get a bowl until later on in day 3 or even day 4
Good
Owzat
U19 Captain
Should include a spinner if the pitch is right, Ali has been pretty disappointing so far with a 0/40 last Test off 9 overs 1st innings when 250 was a decent score ie should really not have bowled, and 1st Test Lyon 8-3 Ali was the wicket count, many cite factors as to why aussies won and where England lost it, that is one of a handful of areas (declaration, missed chances etc)
Owzat
U19 Captain
that crashing sound you can hear is the nationwide chucking of toys out of prams by the Foakes fanboys
only real question marks will be over make up of bowling and where Brook bats I suspect, although Ali at #3 was a total waste of time, might have put Brook down to #5 but only in order not much in terms of delaying his arrival at the crease much! Ali is not more a #3 than Bairstow, Root perhaps given his form ought to take one for the team by taking one off his batting position
Englands refusal to pick a keeper who is any good is astonishing. I can let them off for the first test but the signs were glaringly obvious a change was needed.
I can see this happening. It's 2-2 and Australia need 4 runs to win the final test with 1 wicket left....
Wood bowls to Cummins, who edges it to Bairstow, who lets the ball goes through his hands and it goes to the boundary for 4.
I can see this happening. It's 2-2 and Australia need 4 runs to win the final test with 1 wicket left....
Wood bowls to Cummins, who edges it to Bairstow, who lets the ball goes through his hands and it goes to the boundary for 4.
Not only have the toys been chucked out of the pram, I've stamped on them to make sure they're in bits.
Owzat
U19 Captain
it's just one monotonous drone about one keeper and a lack of getting behind the team the SELECTORS/McCULLUM have picked, people with a cricket background, and his coaches, but those in their armchairs 'know best'
there are a number of contributing factors to England being 2-1 down, were nearly 3-0 down had ROOT'S drop proved costly, Bairstow missed chances are in there but then also had he not come in, made 78 and turned the England 1st innings around in the 1st Test all the catching of chances in the world wouldn't have dug England out of a hole - Stokes then declared as Root and Robinson were scoring near fifty partnership at a run a ball
England being 176/5 and 150/5 may have also been key factors in England losing by 2 wickets, that and an inability to polish aussies off when 209/7 chasing 281. Bottom line is England could have been 3-0 up or 3-0 down, neither hinged on the keeper, 2nd Test throwing away a good position of 188/1 in the 1st innings was as costly if not more, 2nd innings 45/4, just too often the batting fails - and ironically all the clamour for the keeper to be dropped because of catches he dropped, his batting has been worse since, 63 runs since that 78 at 12.6
as for his batting #3 so Foakes can come in to a fanfare, Bairstow averages 30.77 there, his worst batting average by position bar #4 at 10.50 from TWO innings. The advantage of Bairstow is he also bats well with the lower order, runs the "a catch is worth a billion runs" brigade play down, well actually just are totally oblivious to
I'm a big Bairstow fan - always have been. Over the years he's been an decent keeper but a good batsmen, mainly batting at 7. Last summer he was exceptional with the bat at number 5. I also like the way he plays - always on the front foot, always looking to take the game to the opposition.
He isn't solely responsible for us being 2-1 down but he's played his part. His keeping hasn't been good enough with too many dropped chances and missed stumping.
His batting has been below par as well. His confidence looks shot to be honest. I'm all for backing players but equally sometimes they need to be taken out of the spotlight.
He's coming back from a horrible injury. I do wonder how much that's effecting his keeping because he's normally pretty reliable.
I think keeping him in the side is a mistake not just for the side but for him as well. He's under significant pressure with any dropped chances only adding to that.
I think it would do both him and the team good to bring Foakes in for him.
I don't think it's about not getting behind the team, it's more about seeing that a player is badly out of form and that player happens to be in a vital position. Bairstow has been an alright keeper and, at times, a great batsman but looks to have needed more time after his injury before returning to test cricket. A summer back at his county club could have been better for him.
Foakes has been unfortunate because he is a great keeper and had potential to be one of the best ever wicket keeper/batsman. Unfortunatley the better batting by Buttler and Bairstow stopped his progression.
Agree there have been many contributing factors to being 2-1 down. I don't recall ever seeing a series like it where a team's on top and not long after it's the other team on top.
Hopefully we get another entertaining test at OT next week.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
It’s a case of reverting to the mean of him with the gloves. Nothing more or less
Reading articles saying Warner should be given another chance as he made a 66 and plays better when his back's against the wall
They should remember last time Warner went to Old Trafford with his spot on the line, and he had recently scored a 61....
Yep, he got a pair, twice out to Broad in 8 balls. Can't see this being much different
They should remember last time Warner went to Old Trafford with his spot on the line, and he had recently scored a 61....
Yep, he got a pair, twice out to Broad in 8 balls. Can't see this being much different
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Nah. He was really really bad as a specialist bat for a couple of years.
Pretty sure he actually averaged more as a keeper before that mad run last year. Admittedly a lot of that would have come from his previous really good year in 2016. Has had a really strange career.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Hello Brendon, how was your round of golf today?
Socerer 01
International Captain
get on with the times we armchairs know nothing and only drone monotonously while people with cricket background and coaches always take right decisions