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*Official* Fourth Test (Old Trafford, Manchester) 19-23 July

Qlder

International Debutant
Green's series has been poor so far but likely will still be picked on 'potential'. Rare luxury for Aus to have 2 allrounders at once and both playing would pave the way for Hardie and Green to play together

Khawaja
Labuschagne
Marsh
Smith
Head
Green
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Murphy
Hazlewood
 
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Kirkut

International Regular
Green's series has been poor so far but likely will still be picked on 'potential'. Rare luxury for Aus to have 2 allrounders at once and both playing would pave the way for Hardie and Green to play together

Khawaja
Labuschagne
Marsh
Smith
Head
Green
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Murphy
Hazlewood
Labuschagne to open? I'd rather stick with specialist openers in English conditions.
 

Kirkut

International Regular
Well the specialist opener Warner only lasted 5 balls in each innings last test so Labushagne might as well of opened
The wicket at Old Trafford may suit Warner, but then a lot depends on his morale and how he feels about his batting in general, if he's confident then maybe the team management should stick with him and give him another go. What if he ends up doing well in the 4th test going by the law of averages?
 

Kirkut

International Regular
Bowling attack for the 4th test - Cummins, Starc, Neser, Murphy and Marsh as all rounder. If Warner is dropped then pick Green as well into the side along with Marsh.
 

Qlder

International Debutant
Did some research and Labushagne started as an opener in grade (with 3 centuries) and debuted for Qld as an opener making 83. He opened in his first two shield seasons with either Burns or Renshaw. His best was a 103 and 52 (run out) vs WA where Bancroft and Harrris opened as well

By season 3 Burns, Renshaw and Khawaja were locks in the top 3 spots so Labushagne became the Qld #4 (#3 when Khawaja on Aus duty) and the rest is history

I'd say he's pretty qualified to open instead of Warner (just for next 2 tests)
 
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Kirkut

International Regular
So which is it, if you'd rather stick with a specialist opener then how can Marsh and Green both play? You'd have to pick Harris as an opener 🤢
If Warner doesn't play then from the series context I prefer Green over Harris. If it was Trent Bridge then probably Harris, the ball moves a lot there.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
One thing I'd say in Warner's defence, if you take him out, you lose a pretty dependable first slip. Who goes in there because that keeper and 2 slips combo has been working very well.
 

Blenkinsop

U19 Vice-Captain
Don't understand why anyone is calling for Mo to be dropped. Sure his batting is not what it was, but he bowled really well at Headingley on a pitch offering nothing to the spinners and took two vital wickets. Contrast with Murphy who clearly didn't have the confidence of his captain and immediately bowled a front foot no-ball when he was eventually brought on.

I'd argue you could bring in Dawson as well as Mo if the OT pitch looks like a raging Bunsen, but it would be madness to leave Mo out.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Don't understand why anyone is calling for Mo to be dropped. Sure his batting is not what it was, but he bowled really well at Headingley on a pitch offering nothing to the spinners and took two vital wickets. Contrast with Murphy who clearly didn't have the confidence of his captain and immediately bowled a front foot no-ball when he was eventually brought on.

I'd argue you could bring in Dawson as well as Mo if the OT pitch looks like a raging Bunsen, but it would be madness to leave Mo out.
Completely agree, that spell of 17 overs 2-34 was massive. Not only did he pick off 2 vital wickets but he completely tied up an end allowing the seamers (who were a man down don't forget) to get a breather in.

He also then offered himself for the Number 3 position. It may not have worked out for him, but it sure did for Brook. Other than a fast bowler rotation, the only change England should consider is Foakes for Bairstow, but they won't.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Don't understand why anyone is calling for Mo to be dropped. Sure his batting is not what it was, but he bowled really well at Headingley on a pitch offering nothing to the spinners and took two vital wickets. Contrast with Murphy who clearly didn't have the confidence of his captain and immediately bowled a front foot no-ball when he was eventually brought on.

I'd argue you could bring in Dawson as well as Mo if the OT pitch looks like a raging Bunsen, but it would be madness to leave Mo out.
I don't think he should have been called out of red ball retirement to play at Dawson's expense, but now that call has been taken they'll surely stick with him for OT, where he has a good bowling record. They'll probably bat him at 3 again to keep the Yorkshire crew further from the new ball, and count any runs Mo scores himself as a bonus.
 

Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
How much of a factor should Warner's slip fielding be in his selection.

If he isn't picked, who would take his place in the slip cordon.

On the other hand if Green takes his place, is Warner's fielding nullified by Green in the gully.

Obviously making runs should the principle criteria but if it's a close call, then fielding surely has to be considered.
 

CartyDurham

International Captain
Full England Men's Fourth Ashes Test Squad:
  • Ben Stokes (Durham) Captain
  • Moeen Ali (Warwickshire)
  • James Anderson (Lancashire)
  • Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
  • Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
  • Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
  • Zak Crawley (Kent)
  • Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
  • Dan Lawrence (Essex)
  • Ollie Robinson (Sussex)
  • Joe Root (Yorkshire)
  • Josh Tongue (Worcestershire)
  • Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
  • Mark Wood (Durham)

  • Just been announced
 

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