*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

[Neil Pickup]

Can't believe the rubbish about Reyna - do these people know the rules? The ball is still technically in the 'keeper's hands until he's kicked it (and hence why anyone nicking it away while in the air from the hands to the boot is penalised).

When he kicked it he was out of his area. Correct decision.

Point me out the rule number and then I'll believe you.

Zokora - disgrace. Needs three games minimum, like the rest of the cheats. As does Jol for defending him. And Steven Taylor for his playacting at Old Trafford.

Anyway, anyone want to play "find the least prolific leading scorer"? At City, our top scorer is our left back, with two goals...

 

[sledger]

seems that tonights game was a rather lively encounter.

 

[sledger]

marc, scaley and Aussie you ruin this thread. In the France thread i managed to have some decent football debate with boy brumby and others without the petty squabiling you lot provdie in this thread

lol just seen this, in fairness at least marc has some football knowledge, dubious piscine, aussie nil.

 

[Craig]

Man Utd prepare De Rossi swoop.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct2h.html

Imagine him and Alan Smith (circa 2002/2003) on the field at the same time?

 

[chaminda_00]

Man Utd prepare De Rossi swoop.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct2h.html

Imagine him and Alan Smith (circa 2002/2003) on the field at the same time?

Would be great for Man U, the guys a thug but pretty good player. Can't see Roma letting him go and im not sure if he would want to come to England. There would be the chance that he could be dropped from Italian squad if he wasn't playing in England, but maybe times are changing in that regard.

 

[sledger]

he would do better to move to another club in serie A or spain i think.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Erm no - because by that token if he drops it in front of him to kick it from the ground it's still in his hands as well.

No, because then he has released it.

From the hand to the feet, he is in the process of releasing it.

 

[sledger]

probs best leaving that topic behind halsey, theres simply no point to debating that issue, really there isnt.

 

[Tom Halsey]

probs best leaving that topic behind halsey, theres simply no point to debating that issue, really there isnt.

Well considering it is under "Additional Instructions For Referees..." on the laws, I think I might have a point.

 

[sledger]

Well considering it is under "Additional Instructions For Referees..." on the laws, I think I might have a point.

i remember you happily arguing against such instructions when neil brought them up to show that the ref was right to send off lehmann in the champions league final last season.

 

[Tom Halsey]

i remember you happily arguing against such instructions when neil brought them up to show that the ref was right to send off lehmann in the champions league final last season.

I seem to remember thinking that I thought it was right. If I didn't then I certainly do now. Will check it up.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I've just searched through the PDF laws on FIFA's website.

Offences against goalkeepers
Referees are reminded that:
• it is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• a player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• it is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him at the taking of a corner kick

None of that says what you're claiming it to.

 

[sledger]

thought not, thanks for that neil.

 

[Tom Halsey]

i remember you happily arguing against such instructions when neil brought them up to show that the ref was right to send off lehmann in the champions league final last season.

Just searched it up. Neil posted the law and I agreed.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I've just searched through the PDF laws on FIFA's website.

Offences against goalkeepers
Referees are reminded that:
• it is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• a player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• it is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him at the taking of a corner kick

None of that says what you're claiming it to.

Well... think about it.

"kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it" - must mean he's still in the process of releasing it until he's actually kicked it.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Well... think about it.

"kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it" - must mean he's still in the process of releasing it until he's actually kicked it.

That doesn't bloody mean that when the keeper throws the ball outside the area he's handling the thing.

 

[Tom Halsey]

That doesn't bloody mean that when the keeper throws the ball outside the area he's handling the thing.

If it's still under his control and he hasn't yet kicked it, I'd say he is.

I also have experience here - I got penalised for exactly the same thing a couple of years ago.

 

[sledger]

If it's still under his control and he hasn't yet kicked it, I'd say he is

if the ball is hanging in the air out of his hands how on earth can you claim it to be under his control?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Take this hypothetical situation. Keeper catches long hump on edge of his box. No one is within thirty yards because it was such a pointless heft. Keeper lobs ball out seven, eight yards because he wants to whack it back. Under your rules it's handball.

The only thing those directives are dealing with is fouls on the keeper, not proscribing what entails the goalkeeper handling the ball, which as any idiot could - I thought - understand, meant using the thing on the end of your arm with fingers on it.

Not going to make it any more clearer, if you want to continue being obtuse feel free to, but I grew out of stating the same point repeatedly about three years ago.

 

[Tom Halsey]

if the ball is hanging in the air out of his hands how on earth can you claim it to be under his control?

"kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it" - must mean he's still in the process of releasing it until he's actually kicked it.

If he's only in the process of releasing it, he hasn't yet released it.