*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[marc71178]

Cantona was not a brilliant all-round player.

And if your constant bagging of Henry weren't enough, then this shows exactly why nobody should take your views seriously.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Cantona was not a brilliant all-round player. Chief poseur at least does set a lot of things up for other people (as well as missing lots of chances), Cantona doesn't set any more stuff up than most forwards. He was just a decent forward who scored a lot of straight forward goals and scored one good goal a season (which would get replayed ad nauseam like Owen's goal against the Argies), an inferior version of horse with a bit more style and a little bit more ability to hold the ball up.

I'm sorry?

Cantona's main asset was setting people up - he generally played behind the front line.

And when he did play up front, he scored goals. He and Schmeichel almost single-handedly won us the League in 95/96 when we had a load of youth and weren't a particularly good team. We won a string of games 1-0 with Schmeichel making save after save and Cantona nicking a goal.

 

[BoyBrumby]

They did, but a rubbish one (as I said in an earlier post).

Ferguson placed far more importance in it, invested more in it, changed the way it was run, changed the coaches, and reaped the rewards.

What's gone wrong then?

 

[Pothas]

Except Cantona wasn't a goal scorer.

While I dislike the CDMs immensely, Henry isn't a goal-scorer and neither was Cantona. Both were brilliant all-round players though.

Henry has scored over 200 goals for Arsenal of course his a goal-scorer.

 

[steds]

What's gone wrong then?

He changed the coaches again and put Maurice Lindsay in charge?

 

[Scaly piscine]

I'm sorry?

Cantona's main asset was setting people up - he generally played behind the front line.

And when he did play up front, he scored goals. He and Schmeichel almost single-handedly won us the League in 95/96 when we had a load of youth and weren't a particularly good team. We won a string of games 1-0 with Schmeichel making save after save and Cantona nicking a goal.

Rubbish, Cantona played just like most forwards did, getting in the box whenever possible getting on the end of things and occasionally setting someone up. Manure fan's ridiculous love of Cantona is just as stupid as Liverpool's love of Fowler. When it comes down to it objective people can see they're nothing special no matter how much you hype them up.

 

[Scaly piscine]

And if your constant bagging of Henry weren't enough, then this shows exactly why nobody should take your views seriously.

Looks who's posting. Some of us have standards and don't just start throwing superlatives around whenever discussing a decent club/county player like Cantona, chief poseur, Bell, Giles et al .

 

[luckyeddie]

Rubbish, Cantona played just like most forwards did, getting in the box whenever possible getting on the end of things and occasionally setting someone up. Manure fan's ridiculous love of Cantona is just as stupid as Liverpool's love of Fowler. When it comes down to it objective people can see they're nothing special no matter how much you hype them up.

I reckon your parrot knows more about football than you do.

Strike that. John Cleese's dead parrot knows more about football than you do.

 

[marc71178]

Rubbish, Cantona played just like most forwards did, getting in the box whenever possible getting on the end of things and occasionally setting someone up. Manure fan's ridiculous love of Cantona is just as stupid as Liverpool's love of Fowler. When it comes down to it objective people can see they're nothing special no matter how much you hype them up.

Keep digging...

 

[marc71178]

Looks who's posting. Some of us have standards and don't just start throwing superlatives around whenever discussing a decent club/county player like Cantona, chief poseur, Bell, Giles et al .

You what?

Seeing as my 2 least favourite teams are Manure and Arsenal, why would I champion their players unless I could actually see beyond the nationality?

 

[Craig]

My point was the inconsistency being displayed here.

In Wenger's case he isn't given creidt for signings because its his scouts doing it, yet people keep saying Fergusin deserves credit for the same thing.

I was talking about Veron's non-selection.

Who was responsible for signing Henry? Wenger or his scouts, good you Juventus ( )

 

[Craig]

Well the CDMs kept up their shocking away record so now they'll need more than just victory against Spurs to get that last CL spot, barring 2 more feeble CL opponents.

Like Villarreal and either Milan or Bracelona

 

[Craig]

I almost fell asleep, in all fairness

I certaintly did but the tyrant that is the timezone put me in my place.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I certaintly did but the tyrant that is the timezone put me in my place.

I didn't think it was a terrible game, despite the lack of any goals. Obviously we were totally outplayed, but it was one of those games where you couldn't take your eyes off it for a moment.

& pens are always never less than dramatic.

 

[Craig]

Yeah I would agree, even though a game ends in 0-0 doesn't always mean it is bad game. I think at about 2 am I was too tired and went to bed (though I had it taped so I watched what I missed).

 

[GIMH]

Rubbish, Cantona played just like most forwards did, getting in the box whenever possible getting on the end of things and occasionally setting someone up. Manure fan's ridiculous love of Cantona is just as stupid as Liverpool's love of Fowler. When it comes down to it objective people can see they're nothing special no matter how much you hype them up.

Shocking stuff, as someone who has grown up to despise Manchester United (my Dad never managed to make me a Liverpool fan but he did teach me at a very young age that Man U is evil), I grew up tearing my hair out at the brilliance of Cantona. Nothing special! Ridiculous, very few players have played in England in the last 15 years with as much talent as Cantona, Bergkamp, Henry, Zola and Chris Greenacre ( ) are the only ones that immediately spring to mind.

As for Robbie Fowler! Fowler 2002-onwards may be nothing special, but if you honestly think he was never a great striker then you must be taking acid, if his peak hadn't come at the same time as Shearer's, Fowler would have been an England regular, I have never seen finishing like his. You don't have a goals/game ratio like Fowler's at Liverpool without being special. In fact even when Owen had emerged, someone asked him, "so Michael, do they call you God?" to which he responded, "there's only one God at Anfield." Everton fans hate him, us Tranmere fans constantly read rumours of him ending up at Prenton Park with great hope, and Liverpool fans idolise him, and there's a reason for all of this - because he is a legend!

 

[GIMH]

I didn't think it was a terrible game, despite the lack of any goals. Obviously we were totally outplayed, but it was one of those games where you couldn't take your eyes off it for a moment.

& pens are always never less than dramatic.

In my defence, I had a hell of a hangover, I was gutted it went to extra-time, I'd usually be glad, but I had to work at 8, and decided I was gonna get two hours sleep from 5 til 7, only for the game to go on until about 6, I which point I decided I was hungry. I'm still angry because of it now

 

[Craig]

You know there is the invention called the VCR and you could tape what you missed

Or should it be DVD recorders now?

 

[Tom Halsey]

Rubbish, Cantona played just like most forwards did, getting in the box whenever possible getting on the end of things and occasionally setting someone up. Manure fan's ridiculous love of Cantona is just as stupid as Liverpool's love of Fowler. When it comes down to it objective people can see they're nothing special no matter how much you hype them up.

Of course he got in the box, even midefielders get into the box whenever possible.

Cantona spotted gaps where no-one else saw them, and set up lots of goals, as well as scored his fair share.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Shocking stuff, as someone who has grown up to despise Manchester United (my Dad never managed to make me a Liverpool fan but he did teach me at a very young age that Man U is evil), I grew up tearing my hair out at the brilliance of Cantona. Nothing special! Ridiculous, very few players have played in England in the last 15 years with as much talent as Cantona, Bergkamp, Henry, Zola and Chris Greenacre ( ) are the only ones that immediately spring to mind.

As for Robbie Fowler! Fowler 2002-onwards may be nothing special, but if you honestly think he was never a great striker then you must be taking acid, if his peak hadn't come at the same time as Shearer's, Fowler would have been an England regular, I have never seen finishing like his. You don't have a goals/game ratio like Fowler's at Liverpool without being special. In fact even when Owen had emerged, someone asked him, "so Michael, do they call you God?" to which he responded, "there's only one God at Anfield." Everton fans hate him, us Tranmere fans constantly read rumours of him ending up at Prenton Park with great hope, and Liverpool fans idolise him, and there's a reason for all of this - because he is a legend!

This is the sort of standard crap everyone on here keeps coming up with. Pele is a great striker, Fowler is a decent club player - saying Fowler was a great striker is an insult to the genuine greats like Pele.

You lot may have ridiculously low standards in calling muppets like Fowler great, and you will no doubt continue to come up with the same hyperbole and then think you're all great because you lot agree with each other, but I will, as I always will, call a spade a spade and I don't give a toss if I'm right and everyone agrees with me or whether I'm right and nobody agrees with me. I'm objective and you lot are not... end of story.