*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[roseboy64]

Whether or not Man Utd overhaul Chelsea, it'll make things interesting next season. I think Arsenal will do better and Liverpool should improve as well. Then there's always the odd dark horse.

 

[marc71178]

Most of our great team was based on our youth team, which Ferguson set up and oversaw.

For a start was it not the youth coaches who set it up?

Secondly I don't think the likes of Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce, Keane, Cantona came through the youth system did they?

 

[Loony BoB]

I think the real impact on the next season, should Chelsea not drop points in other games, will be whether or not Man Utd beat Chelsea when they go to London. If Chelsea win, they'll go into next season fairly smug and confident of another season victory. If they lose further points but still win, they'll be unsettled. If they lose that game, though, then they may win the title but they will go into the next season knowing that they'll have to improve if they want to keep it.

 

[Loony BoB]

For a start was it not the youth coaches who set it up?

Secondly I don't think the likes of Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce, Keane, Cantona came through the youth system did they?

Keane: He began his career at Cobh Ramblers, then made his name at Nottingham Forest before moving to Manchester United for a British record transfer fee in 1993.
Cantona: After having originally come to England for a trial with Sheffield Wednesday, in February 1992 Cantona joined Leeds United, where he helped them win the old First Division championship that season (1991-92). The following November, he was transferred to Manchester United for a relatively small fee of 1.2 million pounds.
Pallister: His footballing career started at age 19, as a defender for Middlesbrough F.C., for whom he made 156 league appearances over nearly five seasons, sandwiching a loan spell to Darlington F.C. during the first season. Interest from Manchester United grew until they signed him on August 29, 1989 for a then British record of 2.3 million pounds.
Schmeichel: But Schmeichel was lost for Hvidovre as he moved to Danish vice-champions Brøndby IF in 1987. Winning the Danish league in his first year, the climax of his Brøndby career would come in the 1991 UEFA Cup, which saw Schmeichel as an important part of the team that reached the semi-finals before being eliminated by a last-minute goal for AS Roma by Rudi Völler. Following his showings on the international scene, Manchester United bought him in 1991 for £550,000 and he played for them for the bulk of his career, eight years in total, enjoying great success.
Bruce: Norwich won promotion at the first time of asking but Bruce was transferred to Manchester United for £850,000 in December 1987 just before his 27th birthday.

So, no.

 

[Matteh]

The Premiership in the 90s was laughable...
I have this book - the Fa Carling Premiership Annual 95/96 which has every premiership player's playing career in it...Flick to a page - Franz Carr, wow what a defender - Flick again - David Busst (incidentally Man Utd ruined his career) - Flick again - David Hirst.

The quality of the Premiership then was so low compared to now - which pretty much explains how Wimbledon stayed up for so long...

 

[luckyeddie]

The Premiership in the 90s was laughable...
I have this book - the Fa Carling Premiership Annual 95/96 which has every premiership player's playing career in it...Flick to a page - Franz Carr, wow what a defender - Flick again - David Busst (incidentally Man Utd ruined his career) - Flick again - David Hirst.

The quality of the Premiership then was so low compared to now - which pretty much explains how Wimbledon stayed up for so long...

Mock indignation doesn't suit you - and mocking something you don't really understand can give rise to some pretty elementary errors.

You mentioned three players, and two of them contained such huge faux-pas that they couldn't remain unchallenged.

1. Franz Carr happened to be an orthodox, out-and-out winger. I doubt he even had a tackle in him - he was too idle to run back and help.
2. Man Utd did not ruin David Busst's career - he suffered a terrible injury in a goalmouth scramble that was a total accident.

Incidentally, Wimbledon stayed up through a pretty amazing team spirit - definitely a case of the whole greatly exceeding the sum of the parts.

Sorry.

You were doing well up to 'The'.

 

[marc71178]

Flick to a page - Franz Carr, wow what a defender

Quality winger, equivalent nowadays a Jermaine Pennant.

Flick again - David Busst

Good solid centre back, never going to be a world beater, but not a bad player. Equivalent nowadays to the likes of de Zeeuw, Ian Pearce...

Flick again - David Hirst

A good goalscorer on the fringes of international selection - there's plenty of equivalents nowadays, James Beattie for example.

 

[superkingdave]

Keane: He began his career at Cobh Ramblers, then made his name at Nottingham Forest before moving to Manchester United for a British record transfer fee in 1993.
Cantona: After having originally come to England for a trial with Sheffield Wednesday, in February 1992 Cantona joined Leeds United, where he helped them win the old First Division championship that season (1991-92). The following November, he was transferred to Manchester United for a relatively small fee of 1.2 million pounds.
Pallister: His footballing career started at age 19, as a defender for Middlesbrough F.C., for whom he made 156 league appearances over nearly five seasons, sandwiching a loan spell to Darlington F.C. during the first season. Interest from Manchester United grew until they signed him on August 29, 1989 for a then British record of 2.3 million pounds.
Schmeichel: But Schmeichel was lost for Hvidovre as he moved to Danish vice-champions Brøndby IF in 1987. Winning the Danish league in his first year, the climax of his Brøndby career would come in the 1991 UEFA Cup, which saw Schmeichel as an important part of the team that reached the semi-finals before being eliminated by a last-minute goal for AS Roma by Rudi Völler. Following his showings on the international scene, Manchester United bought him in 1991 for £550,000 and he played for them for the bulk of his career, eight years in total, enjoying great success.
Bruce: Norwich won promotion at the first time of asking but Bruce was transferred to Manchester United for £850,000 in December 1987 just before his 27th birthday.

So, no.

erm Bob, i think Mark knew that when he asked the question...

 

[Loony BoB]

*shrugs* May as well back it up with facts. It only took me about a minute to get the info. Wikipedia is your friend.

EDIT: Louis Saha possibly out for the remainder of the season... Hopefully it's an overreaction by the Sun.

EDIT: Yay, it was.

 

[GIMH]

Did you sleep through the FA Cup Final?

I almost fell asleep, in all fairness

 

[Scaly piscine]

Personally i'd rather have the 90s Arsenal defence over the Man Utd one. To claim otherwise is nonsense.

Personally i think Zola is the best foreign player to play in the Premiership - a better role model too.

That team playing today at the same level as then wouldn't be capable as winning as many titles as it did.

Yea Zola was definitely better than Cantona, Cantona is even more over-rated than CDMs' chief poseur. Cantona had an OK goal-scoring record and barely ever scored any goals outside the area, nothing particularly special really other than he gets a shedload of hype because he acted like a halfwit, did the odd backheel or whatever and was French.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Yea Zola was definitely better than Cantona, Cantona is even more over-rated than CDMs' chief poseur. Cantona had an OK goal-scoring record and barely ever scored any goals outside the area, nothing particularly special really other than he gets a shedload of hype because he acted like a halfwit, did the odd backheel or whatever and was French.

Except Cantona wasn't a goal scorer.

While I dislike the CDMs immensely, Henry isn't a goal-scorer and neither was Cantona. Both were brilliant all-round players though.

 

[Tom Halsey]

For a start was it not the youth coaches who set it up?

Secondly I don't think the likes of Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce, Keane, Cantona came through the youth system did they?

No, it was Ferguson. The youth coaches merely did the coaching. Feruson set it up, oversaw it, without Ferguson, no outh system.

No, they didn't come through the youth system. But a lot of them did.

 

[Tom Halsey]

The Premiership in the 90s was laughable...
I have this book - the Fa Carling Premiership Annual 95/96 which has every premiership player's playing career in it...Flick to a page - Franz Carr, wow what a defender - Flick again - David Busst (incidentally Man Utd ruined his career) - Flick again - David Hirst.

The quality of the Premiership then was so low compared to now - which pretty much explains how Wimbledon stayed up for so long...

Please stop talking now.

 

[marc71178]

erm Bob, i think Mark knew that when he asked the question...

No, you reckon?!

Can't believe anyone actually got taken in by that.

 

[marc71178]

Except Cantona wasn't a goal scorer.

While I dislike the CDMs immensely, Henry isn't a goal-scorer and neither was Cantona. Both were brilliant all-round players though.

To be fair, I'd say Henry is a goal-scorer, but the thing is he's far more than just a goal-scorer.

As for either of them being over-rated - must be just coincidental that they're both French?

 

[marc71178]

No, it was Ferguson. The youth coaches merely did the coaching. Feruson set it up, oversaw it, without Ferguson, no outh system.

So they never had a youth system at all before he took over then?

And he was there coaching them all in their formative years?

 

[Tom Halsey]

So they never had a youth system at all before he took over then?

And he was there coaching them all in their formative years?

They did, but a rubbish one (as I said in an earlier post).

Ferguson placed far more importance in it, invested more in it, changed the way it was run, changed the coaches, and reaped the rewards.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Except Cantona wasn't a goal scorer.

While I dislike the CDMs immensely, Henry isn't a goal-scorer and neither was Cantona. Both were brilliant all-round players though.

Cantona was not a brilliant all-round player. Chief poseur at least does set a lot of things up for other people (as well as missing lots of chances), Cantona doesn't set any more stuff up than most forwards. He was just a decent forward who scored a lot of straight forward goals and scored one good goal a season (which would get replayed ad nauseam like Owen's goal against the Argies), an inferior version of horse with a bit more style and a little bit more ability to hold the ball up.

 

[TT Boy]

Yea Zola was definitely better than Cantona, Cantona is even more over-rated than CDMs' chief poseur. Cantona had an OK goal-scoring record and barely ever scored any goals outside the area, nothing particularly special really other than he gets a shedload of hype because he acted like a halfwit, did the odd backheel or whatever and was French.

Also have to remember Cantona played when British football was in a parallax of mediocrity not only at club level but at international level as well.