*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[steds]

Mourinho and Wenger, Benitez, even Jol is arguably doing a better job than he'd do.

Funny how you only list managers who've had money to splash about.

 

[Loony BoB]

Since you're talking career, then you shouldn't rate Jose or Arsen over Alex because of the CL - Alex won it too, remember. 98/99 season.

 

[steds]

Like your sig, btw.

Thankyou.

 

[luckyeddie]

Funny how you only list managers who've had money to splash about.

I'd rate Steve MacLaren as good as anyone.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Since you're talking career, then you shouldn't rate Jose or Arsen over Alex because of the CL - Alex won it too, remember. 98/99 season.

He wasn't saying they were better, he was saying they were arguable.

And the Piscine most certainly doesn't rate Whinger over Fergie, btw.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Can someone remind me what winning feels like?

If (when) we lose to Grays tonight, it's 11 points in 15 games. That's not just bad...

 

[Tom Halsey]

I'd rate Steve MacLaren as good as anyone.

Yeah, managers I'd rate as arguably better than Ferguson at the moment are Mourinho (for what he did with Porto), Curbishley, Allardyce (don't like their footie but you've got to admire what they've done), MacLaren, Jol, can't think of anyone else.

And none of those are better over a career.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I don't rate McLaren, he's done nothing to suggest he's significantly better than Bryan Robson. Middlesbrough managers get a lot of money to spend.

 

[superkingdave]

tbf he seems to have brought a few more English players in the side, than robson and youngsters aswell.

 

[Pothas]

plus Bryan Robson got Middlesbrough once and had to rely on Venables too get them out of trouble to avoid it being twice.

 

[Scaly piscine]

plus Bryan Robson got Middlesbrough once and had to rely on Venables too get them out of trouble to avoid it being twice.

Middlesbrough improved very slowly under Robson, now they're still improving very slowly under McLaren with Boro not too far away from the relegation zone earlier this season.

 

[marc71178]

Jol is better than Ferguson is now.

Of the 4 named that is the only 1 I was unsure of.

Wenger is arguable, he inherited a good team and fair enough he turned them briefly into a great one, but he's not advanced them too much, nothing in the CL bar this season either. He doesn't help his case by being a complete and utter **** too.

You only have to look at the way he's built this side this season to quite how good he actually is.

Mourinho is undoubtedly an extremely good manager, but I base that on what he did with Porto rather than Chelsea. Mourinho has wasted quite a lot of money, and has succeeded partially on Ranieri's buys and partially on the amount of money they have.

An interesting point, the money will always really cloud views of him, but I'd say what he did at Porto shows a lot.

Benitez is again a good manager, but he's done nothing with Liverpool apart from the CL (and fair play to him for that, but I think it was a one-off), they've not advanced in the Premiership, he did a good job with Valencia though.

Liverpool are far better now than 18 months ago - I don't see how you can say they haven't advanced when they're 3rd compared to 5th.

 

[Scaly piscine]

You only have to look at the way he's built this side this season to quite how good he actually is.

You only have to look at this season's trophy cabinet and league position to see how good he actually is...

Oh that's right he's won bugger all so far and they're struggling to make the last CL spot in the Premiership.

This is why you love the king of managing also-rans and objective people realise Wenger hasn't done anything yet to elevate himself into the same breath as Fergie, Mourinho and Benitez.

 

[aussie]

FWIW I think Young was nailed on if fit. Carragher will go as 4th Centre-half with Ledley as the utility.

yea this is what i was thinking as well.

 

[roseboy64]

Yeah, managers I'd rate as arguably better than Ferguson at the moment are Mourinho (for what he did with Porto), Curbishley, Allardyce (don't like their footie but you've got to admire what they've done), MacLaren, Jol, can't think of anyone else.

And none of those are better over a career.

Curbishley and MacLaren aren't better than Fergie. Jol is arguable. Wenger certainly isn't. Mark Hughes is defintely getting there though and I wouldn't mind him taking over from Sir Alex.

 

[marc71178]

You only have to look at this season's trophy cabinet and league position to see how good he actually is...

You really haven't got a clue have you? This is, and has always been a period of rebuilding after taking the decision to sell Vieira in the summer. What he has achieved in Europe shows exactly how good he is.

This is why you love the king of managing also-rans and objective people realise Wenger hasn't done anything yet to elevate himself into the same breath as Fergie, Mourinho and Benitez.

So he hasn't been the most consistent manager in the league up to this season then?

And he didn't manage them through a whole season unbeaten?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Who gives a stuff if you're consistently knocked out at KO stage in the CL and consistently finish 2nd and 3rd in the Premiership? The times they've actually won the league and done anything in the CL are exceptions - so how is being 'the most consistent manager' an asset in these circumstances?

 

[Tom Halsey]

You only have to look at the way he's built this side this season to quite how good he actually is.

Hang on, what has he done? Buying players is mainly down to his scouts, and they're not very good anyway, and without extra signings they won't compete next year. They still can't play away from home against good sides.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Liverpool are far better now than 18 months ago - I don't see how you can say they haven't advanced when they're 3rd compared to 5th.

Where did Liverpool come the season before Benitez took over? Not sure, but 4th IIRC. That's a one place advancement, which doesn't really say much. I'd say they've moved up to 3rd place purely because Arsenal are nowehere near what they were, not because of anything special from Benitez.

 

[Tom Halsey]

So he hasn't been the most consistent manager in the league up to this season then?

Constant 2nds and 3rds for a club like Arsenal aren't anything to write home about.

The most consistent over the course of the Premiership has been Ferguson - 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd.

The 3rds are since he's been losing it.