*Official* England in South Africa Thread

[Jono]

Well said, Vaughan's new position at 9 should suit him fine.

And when you get Harmison back into the team, Vaughan can slot in at 10.

 

[SJS]

If certain parties were quick to kill Gough off after a couple of dodgy performances (myself not amongst them!); perhaps certain other parties should perhaps refrain from hailing him as Lazarus based on this one performance!

It was a fair at-the-death performance; it merely looks good by comparison to the tripe served up at the other end.

Absolutely. Thats just it. No more, no less.

 

[Jono]

If certain parties were quick to kill Gough off after a couple of dodgy performances (myself not amongst them!); perhaps certain other parties should perhaps refrain from hailing him as Lazarus based on this one performance!

It was a fair at-the-death performance; it merely looks good by comparison to the tripe served up at the other end.

I think you'll find not one person (including me) has even said or even suggested he's a great ODI bowler in this thread. Not one.

It was just fun seeing people eat their words considering these great 2007 WC bowlers show their stuff.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I think you'll find not one person (including me) has even said or even suggested he's a great ODI bowler in this thread. Not one.

It was just fun seeing people eat their words considering these great 2007 WC bowlers show their stuff.

We'll let you off if you don't ever use "100% right" and "Richard" in the same sentence again.

 

[Jono]

It hurt me to say that too.

 

[SJS]

We'll let you off if you don't ever use "100% right" and "Richard" in the same sentence again.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think you'll find not one person (including me) has even said or even suggested he's a great ODI bowler in this thread. Not one.

It was just fun seeing people eat their words considering these great 2007 WC bowlers show their stuff.

No; nor was I implying anyone was. You (by your own admission) were indulging in a bit of told-you-soing tho! My point is that if he was finished then one half-decent performance doesn't mean he's back. Necessarily.

 

[Jono]

I agree. I don't think he's back, nor will I think that if he gets 5/15 in the next game. I doubt (though you never say never) he'll ever be back to what he was in his prime. But he should still be playing in the ODI team at the moment, whether he will make it to the 2007 World Cup or not.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I agree. I don't think he's back, nor will I think that if he gets 5/15 in the next game. I doubt (though you never say never) he'll ever be back to what he was in his prime. But he should still be playing in the ODI team at the moment, whether he will make it to the 2007 World Cup or not.

No argument from me on that point.

There's altogether too much baby-bathwater thinking in our ODI selection.

 

[superkingdave]

Tresco goes, looked all at sea anyway couldn't get the ball off the sqaure

 

[SJS]

No argument from me on that point.

There's altogether too much baby-bathwater thinking in our ODI selection.

Sorry to break your heart BB but I think England are going to lose this game and this series.

The momentum has clearly shifted and I dont see England coming back strongly enough. I am glad to see a resurgent S Africa though.

 

[twctopcat]

FFS, here comes the slippery slope.

 

[Jono]

Ouch. I was hoping for Tresco to score some runs to make this a battle (granted it is far from over) but with it being so damn late here in Australia, and myself having to catch a flight tomorrow, I don't know how much longer I can stay up.

 

[DocHead]

I think you'll find not one person (including me) has even said or even suggested he's a great ODI bowler in this thread. Not one.

It was just fun seeing people eat their words considering these great 2007 WC bowlers show their stuff.

Okay then, I'll say it, Darren Gough is an absolute wizard at bowling in the death overs, and he's a great ODI bowler, certainly one of the best ODI bowlers England have ever had. Look at his stats for God's sake, they're awesome. His economy rate's slightly higher because a third of his overs have been bowled in happy hour, Paul Collingwood bowls in the middle overs and still has a high ER.

You could argue that stats don't always tell the full story, but over a career as long as he's had, they certainly tell most of the story.

Dazzler's an absolute star.

 

[Jono]

Okay then, I'll say it, Darren Gough is an absolute wizard at bowling in the death overs, and he's a great ODI bowler, certainly one of the best ODI bowlers England have ever had. Look at his stats for God's sake, they're awesome. His economy rate's slightly higher because a third of his overs have been bowled in happy hour, Paul Collingwood bowls in the middle overs and still has a high ER.

You could argue that stats don't always tell the full story, but over a career as long as he's had, they certainly tell most of the story.

Dazzler's an absolute star.

Plus he has an absolutely beautiful bowling action. I love it.

I am glad to see a resurgent S Africa though.

Me too. I can't get the smile off my face. The majority of my cricket watching occurred in the 1990s, and after seeing SA be such a great ODI team in those years, its good to see them playing some top notch cricket.

 

[SJS]

Dazzler's an absolute star.

Yes, but the dazzle is on the wane and the twinkle is intermittent.

 

[kof98]

England need to go over the top in the first 15 and score at least run a ball:
1. slow outfield
2. short boundaries

 

[twctopcat]

Okay then, I'll say it, Darren Gough is an absolute wizard at bowling in the death overs, and he's a great ODI bowler, certainly one of the best ODI bowlers England have ever had. Look at his stats for God's sake, they're awesome. His economy rate's slightly higher because a third of his overs have been bowled in happy hour, Paul Collingwood bowls in the middle overs and still has a high ER.

You could argue that stats don't always tell the full story, but over a career as long as he's had, they certainly tell most of the story.

Dazzler's an absolute star.

Can i feel a DGAS coming on??I'm a member that's for sure.

 

[DocHead]

Yes, but the dazzle is on the wane and the twinkle is intermittent.

Maybe, but he's also yer best ODI bowler right now, and the distance to #2 can be measured in parsecs.

DG rocks, it'll be a sad day when he finally has to hang it up.

 

[twctopcat]

Is that the run rate i see, creeping upwards, ever upwards, like a celestial being towards the heavens????