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[Jono]

Now lets compare England & India

Strauss/Sehwag.........................................Strauss is miles ahead

I'm going to assume you're joking.

 

[Jono]

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Strauss better than Sehwag?
Dravid slightly better than Vaughan?
KP better than Laxman?
Jones better than anyone?
Giles comparable to Harbijhan?
Anderson better than anyone?

Lol, I didn't see your post before I posted my one above, but I concur completely.

 

[Jono]

The guy averages 43.71, for someone that plays nearly half of their games in India that's decidedly average.

He was forced to open at the start of his career. It completely distorts his average unfavourably.

Look at his average since 2001.

I can't believe people are calling KP better than Laxman, absolutely amazing. And the whole argument that Pietersen has proven himself against the best and thus won't fail against the rest... umm have you guys seen Laxman's record against Australia? You know... the best team in the world?

KP may turn out to be a better batsman than Laxman, but he definitely isn't now.

 

[Shoaib]

KP ahead of Laxman come on dont lets get carried away, KP barely had one good series

Then,why did that idiot rated KP above Mohammad Yousuf?

 

[Sanz]

I'm not interested in waiting 10 years for KP to 'prove himself' statistically. Laxman is just an average batsman overall - can anyone seriously contemplate someone like KP being average or worse for the rest of his career? He's succeeded against the best and so he can succeed against anyone else.

Is this guy on crack or what ?? KP has succeeded against the best in one series, when their main bowler was half fit and some other bowler (Gillespie) was miles away from form. Laxman has succeeded against the best team in the world consistently against their fully fit attack and when they were at their best and he is called AVERAGE ?? Really what a balanced opinion from him.

Lastly, it is blasphemy to even compare a guy who averages 9 in ODIs in australia to LAXMAN who is averaging 36 in aus and an over all 46 against the best team in the world. KP for all his talent is still stuck @ 37.

But coming from someone whose name starts with 'Scaly', it is not really a surprise.

 

[Jono]

Then,why did that idiot rated KP above Mohammad Yousuf?

So because he says something stupid, you must also follow his footsteps using an Indian player instead of Youhanna to annoy him?

Grow up, you're better than that from some posts I've read of yours.

 

[Shoaib]

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Strauss better than Sehwag?
Dravid slightly better than Vaughan?
KP better than Laxman?
Jones better than anyone?
Giles comparable to Harbijhan?
Anderson better than anyone?

U r absolutely right,I posted this only to heat him up just like that idiot wrote similar things in his posts to bait me up.

 

[Scaly piscine]

He was forced to open at the start of his career. It completely distorts his average unfavourably.

Look at his average since 2001.

I can't believe people are calling KP better than Laxman, absolutely amazing. And the whole argument that Pietersen has proven himself against the best and thus won't fail against the rest... umm have you guys seen Laxman's record against Australia? You know... the best team in the world?

KP may turn out to be a better batsman than Laxman, but he definitely isn't now.

Look at the way KP has played in ODIs as well... players like that just don't end up with an average record.

As for Laxman I could equally say his 281 'completely distorts' his record, also helps to have played Australia when they were without Warne and McGrath...

 

[Jono]

As for Laxman I could equally say his 281 'completely distorts' his record, also helps to have played Australia when they were without Warne and McGrath...

That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the stupidest thing you've ever said. I'm not even going to respond to that.

What I will say though, is that in the past 5 years Laxman has averaged over 50. Should I bring up Flintoff's overall average when talking about how good he is? NO!! Because he's improved beyond measure. The same goes for Laxman.

 

[Tom Halsey]

IMO, Laxman is overrated and apart from a few inings (which I admit were quite brilliant) has never impressed me.

 

[luckyeddie]

IMO, Laxman is overrated and apart from a few inings (which I admit were quite brilliant) has never impressed me.

Bob's catching's on a par with that of KP

 

[Sanz]

Look at the way KP has played in ODIs as well... players like that just don't end up with an average record.

KP's avg. in super series < No. of players in a cricket team(without the super sub).

As for Laxman I could equally say his 281 'completely distorts' his record, also helps to have played Australia when they were without Warne and McGrath...

 

[Sanz]

IMO, Laxman is overrated and apart from a few inings (which I admit were quite brilliant) has never impressed me.

Did you watch him without the glasses (tinted ones) ?

 

[Jono]

IMO, Laxman is overrated and apart from a few inings (which I admit were quite brilliant) has never impressed me.

Which ones?

Of course if you take out a player's great innings, they're not exactly that good a player

 

[luckyeddie]

KP's avg. in super series < No. of players in a cricket team(without the super sub).

As opposed to Laxman's in the same series, when he wasn't considered to be good enough to even be selected.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Which ones?

Of course if you take out a player's great innings, they're not exactly that good a player

My point was his great inings don't occur very often.

 

[Jono]

As opposed to Laxman's in the same series, when he wasn't considered to be good enough to even be selected.

Yeah because the super series selectors were absolutely spot on weren't they?

And whilst Sanz was silly enough to bring up KP's Super Series stats when it involved ODIs not tests, which is what the issue revolves around, claiming Super Series selection as a critieria of who is a better player isn't exactly credible.

Unless you believe Boucher is a better player than Sangakkara, Vettori is a better spin bowler than Kumble and Ntini is a better bowler than Vaas (I didn't mind that one so much, because Ntini's a real top bloke).

 

[Jono]

My point was his great inings don't occur very often.

Scoring 3 centuries in a week, 2 against Australia is great to me. Admittedly it was ODI cricket.

Though even if he doesn't play great knocks often enough (What is your definition of great? A great knock for me isn't just a ton either), which is a possible argument, he has many more great knocks than Pietersen does (a whole 1). Don't bring up his 50s in the first test, because those weren't 'great' but rather showed he had talent. And Laxman's 60 odd against Australia in Mumbai on that absolute minefield would safely cancel out both those haf centuries.

No one called VVS an all time great (Tough there is a reason why the Australians themselves, particularly Waugh, saw him as a more valuable wicket than Dravid and Sachin) but to argue KP is better than him based on one test series is just criminal. Your opinion however and you're entitled to it, I just hope VVS does well when you go over to India.

 

[Sanz]

As opposed to Laxman's in the same series, when he wasn't considered to be good enough to even be selected.

And that proved how stupid the slection was.

 

[Tom Halsey]

he has many more great knocks than Pietersen does (a whole 1).

Which isn't very surprising considering Pietersen has only played 1 series (straight in at the deep end I might add). Just from watching them both I rate Pietersen higher, whatever statistics say - and FWIW I consider a great knock as a matchwinning one when things were a bit dicey (and Laxman's 281 is as good as any). But he doesn't do it very often, that's my point.