***Official*** England in Pakistan

[Prince EWS]

Comapring players like that shows very little, especially in cricket when you can pick a completely different balance to your opposition

Both of yopu have been extremely biased as well, and I dont see why Shoaib compared England to India. Newsflash Shoaib: England are playing PAKISTAN, not India. Whether or not India match up to England is completely irrelevant to whether or not Pakistan match up to them.

 

[Shoaib]

I don't think Pakistan has the talent and the potential to stand up against the Emglish team, i think Collinwood has said what we all are expecting to happen, a 3-0 whitewash of Pakistan at the hands of England.

This part of your post is gonna stay in my signature at least till the end of PAK-ENG ODI series.Enough humiliation for an idiot like nehrafan even if series ends at 1-1 draw.

 

[Prince EWS]

This pat of your post is gonna stay in my signature at least till the end of PAK-ENG ODI series.

I highly suspect that if England wipe the floor with Pakistan, you'll taken it down before then.

 

[social]

Now lets compare England & India

Strauss/Sehwag.........................................Strauss is miles ahead
Trescothick/Gambhir...................................Trescothick,no comparison
Vaughan/Dravid..........................................Dravid is slightly ahead.
Bell/Tendulkar............................................Tendulkar is miles ahead
KP/Laxman................................................KP
Flintoff/Kaif or Yuvraj....................................Flintoff by a mile
Jones/Karthik or Dhoni.................................Jones is slightly ahead
Harmison or Jones/Pathan............................Both are miles ahead of Pathan
Giles/Harbhajan...........................................Both r average
Hoggard/Nehra.............................................Hoggard
Anderson/Zaheer/Balaji.................................Anderson

They may be able to make some runs,ut I don't see Indian attack taking 20 wickets in 3 matches.Even the Bangladesh or Zimbabwe's bowling line up is better than that of India.

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Strauss better than Sehwag?
Dravid slightly better than Vaughan?
KP better than Laxman?
Jones better than anyone?
Giles comparable to Harbijhan?
Anderson better than anyone?

 

[luckyeddie]

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Have you EVER seen a certain member write anything complimentary with respect to India?

He may have, but I probably blinked.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Strauss better than Sehwag?
Dravid slightly better than Vaughan?
KP better than Laxman?
Jones better than anyone?
Giles comparable to Harbijhan?
Anderson better than anyone?

KP is better than Laxman - Laxman's record is average plus a once in a lifetime inings. As for Anderson the taff will probably be back by then anyway.

 

[aussie]

Now lets compare England & India

Strauss/Sehwag.........................................Strauss is miles ahead
Vaughan/Dravid..........................................Dravid is slightly ahead.
KP/Laxman................................................KP
Giles/Harbhajan...........................................Both r average
Anderson/Zaheer/Balaji.................................Anderson

They may be able to make some runs,ut I don't see Indian attack taking 20 wickets in 3 matches.Even the Bangladesh or Zimbabwe's bowling line up is better than that of India.

1. Strauss miles ahead of Sehwag, yea right..

2. Come on Dravid is ahead of Vaughan in most area's by a fair way mate

3. KP ahead of Laxman come on dont lets get carried away, KP barely had one good series & regardless some may say its againts the best team in the world, if you watched the series one would realise that the standard of the auusie attack wasn't its usally high standard, so you never know what could happen in a couple of years, look at Clarke he had a phenomenol debut series in India & now he has been brought down back to earth.
I would agree that KP probably has the potential to become better than Laxman if he remains consitent but for now it would be wrong to say he's better

4. Giles may be average, but for the lif eof me i dont know how the turbanator is...

5. I dont think big james is better than either, all are average IMO

Also with england's known weakness againts spin i do think India will have an attack to take 20 english wickets once Kumble & Baji are fit & the seamers are in good form...

 

[social]

KP is better than Laxman - Laxman's record is average plus a once in a lifetime inings. As for Anderson the taff will probably be back by then anyway.

KP has all the potential in the world BUT he's still unproven. Comparing him to Laxman is both premature and ludicrous until he's played 40 or 50 tests or taken at least one catch (whichever comes first).

 

[nick-o]

I'm amazed that anyone could suggest a 3-0 or 2-1 scoreline for this series.

I'm fairly sure that in seven England tours to Pakistan over the decades, a total of four out of 27 matches have ended in a result. (It's 2-all overall).

So, the history suggests that there is something like a 50-50 chance that even one of these matches will have a result. To suggest all three of them will seems highly unlikely. I know Test cricket is changing, but even so...

I'd say 1-0 to England; 2-0 would be a superlative effort. But three result matches? No way.

 

[Pratters]

A timely reminder:

We are discussing England's tour of Pakistan in this thread and not England's tour of India.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I assume parts of this are a joke.

Strauss better than Sehwag?
Dravid slightly better than Vaughan?
KP better than Laxman?
Jones better than anyone?
Giles comparable to Harbijhan?
Anderson better than anyone?

I'd rate Strauss and Sehwag evenly, agreed STrauss is definately not 'way better' than Sehwag.
Dravid is miles ahead of Vaughan.
Yes, KP is IMO better than Laxman, who is IMO very overrated.
Jones is hardly good but neither are Karthik or Dhoni - I'd say fairly even here.
Harbhajan is miles and miles ahead of Giles, granted (though not when it doesn't spin).
Anderson isn't better than anyone, granted.

Now to me his post was highly blinkered in some areas but in some areas he was spot-on.

 

[social]

Back to Eng - Pakistan.

Without Jones and Tremlett, an attack of Harmy/Hoggard/Flintoff/unproven/ordinary spinner is hardly knee-trembling stuff on Pakistani wickets - particularly when combined with a mediocre batting lineup.

Whilst the great leveller is the Pakistani's (can someone please tell me why **** is an objectionable term? - the best man at my wedding is a Pakistani nobleman and he cant understand it either) unpredictability, the series should be closer than many here give it credit.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Back to Eng - Pakistan.

Without Jones and Tremlett, an attack of Harmy/Hoggard/Flintoff/unproven/ordinary spinner is hardly knee-trembling stuff on Pakistani wickets - particularly when combined with a mediocre batting lineup.

Whilst the great leveller is the Pakistani's (can someone please tell me why **** is an objectionable term? - the best man at my wedding is a Pakistani nobleman and he cant understand it either) unpredictability, the series should be closer than many here give it credit.

In England it's a form of racist abuse as in "you **** bstrd", unfortunately.

 

[Tom Halsey]

My prediction is that we'll beat the Pakistanis 1-0, maybe 2-0. Nick said it, results aren't very common.

 

[Scaly piscine]

KP has all the potential in the world BUT he's still unproven. Comparing him to Laxman is both premature and ludicrous until he's played 40 or 50 tests or taken at least one catch (whichever comes first).

I'm not interested in waiting 10 years for KP to 'prove himself' statistically. Laxman is just an average batsman overall - can anyone seriously contemplate someone like KP being average or worse for the rest of his career? He's succeeded against the best and so he can succeed against anyone else.

 

[social]

In England it's a form of racist abuse as in "you **** bstrd", unfortunately.

OK, sorry if my ignorance offended anyone.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

OK, sorry if my ignorance offended anyone.

I think people are used to Aussies using it the way they mean it by now, I am anyway. Although I was a little taken aback when Thommo said it on the radio many years back..."look we were playing the ****'s one year and..." RACIST!! but obviously it's just a shortening of "Pakistani's" down under.

 

[social]

I'm not interested in waiting 10 years for KP to 'prove himself' statistically. Laxman is just an average batsman overall - can anyone seriously contemplate someone like KP being average or worse for the rest of his career? He's succeeded against the best and so he can succeed against anyone else.

If Warne hadnt dropped a sitter in the last test (or Hayden hadnt dropped a more difficult chance on zero), he would have had an ordinary Ashes series.

And, BTW, he looked decidedly ordinary during the Super Series.

Laxman, othe other hand, has played 2 of the greatest innings ever and averaged over 50 for the last 2-3 years.

No comparison.

 

[social]

I think people are used to Aussies using it the way they mean it by now, I am anyway. Although I was a little taken aback when Thommo said it on the radio many years back..."look we were playing the ****'s one year and..." RACIST!! but obviously it's just a shortening of "Pakistani's" down under.

That's all it is to us - a shortening of Pakistani.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If Warne hadnt dropped a sitter in the last test (or Hayden hadnt dropped a more difficult chance on zero), he would have had an ordinary Ashes series.

And, BTW, he looked decidedly ordinary during the Super Series.

Laxman, othe other hand, has played 2 of the greatest innings ever and averaged over 50 for the last 2-3 years.

No comparison.

The guy averages 43.71, for someone that plays nearly half of their games in India that's decidedly average.