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[chicane]

Dhoni is an idiot- end of Story

* clap clap *

 

[chicane]

That is just appropriate you called Dhoni an idiot. A gross misfit for Test cricket.

It is the Indian way of selection that brought Dhoni in, Dinesh Kaarthick was a very good wicket-keeper, that India got after the butter-fingered Parthiv and Deep Das Gupta, and also Dinesh is a very decent bat. Yes, i agree , he had a run of poor scores in those inconsequential matches against Zim and Ban. But selectors easily forgot how he showed resolve for his 90+ against Pakistan and also a fighting 40+ against Australia.
We know how long Gilchrist was kept playing ODI despite his successes in that arena.

Dhoni does not have the temperament to play test cricket. Bring back dinesh kaarthick.

not yet....but he sure has shown improvement. and when he has been careful hes managed to build some vital innings.

kaarthick is good too and very unlucky but dhoni should be persevered with imo, too much potential. not just yet.

 

[steds]

And Marc71178 wants his Hero Ashley Giles in the side, Udal and Pansear are better he is third choice now and very Negative Bowler.... i bet you missed him Marc

No. He isn't. The fact that Dhoni doesn't have a brain and Harbhajan and Munaf aren't much better does not make him good.

 

[James]

I would suggest recent posters on this thread re-read their posts before submitting them.

Silly comments such as this:

Originally Posted by chris.hinton
Dhoni is an idiot- end of Story

Originally Posted by Steds
The fact that Dhoni doesn't have a brain

Just lead to flame wars, which we can do without.

You're obviously more than welcome to question a players performance, but do it in a reasonable manner which isn't going to offend a set of fans please.

 

[Sanz]

Chopra was dropped by Ganguly and not by Dravid. I suspect Ganguly was worried about pressure in the middle order with Yuvraj pushing for a place in the test side and Laxman in good nick (he was then). So leaving out Chopra meant creating a slot in the batting order where Yuvraj could be pushed. He did put the seed in Yuvraj's head too.

The fact of the matter is that it is here that Ganguly's troubles started with Chappell.

You and your Bogus theories. Akash chopra was gone long before Chappell set foot in India to apply for the Coach's job.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

You and your Bogus theories. Akash chopra was gone long before Chappell set foot in India to apply for the Coach's job.

Chopra is a nothing player and just because he is strokeless, people say he is a good foil for Sehwag. what a poor argument? What happens if Sehwag gets injured for 1 year?
Will you drop Chopra for 1 year. Even before Chopra, Bangar was doing the same job ,right. Why drop Bangar and select Chopra. All these strokeless are never going to succeed at the international level. Kaif is another player without any strokes.
We always say players like these are ideal foils for someone like Sehwag or Dravid. What if they are left to bat with a tail ? So dropping Chopra is well justified and i dont see anything wrong in that, whethet it was Chappel era or Wright/Ganguly era.

 

[Jono]

This does suggest that maybe India over the last few years then have been vastly over rated, which is something I think a few of us have suspected (some more vocally than others).
I think India have two real positives for the future: Munaf, and Sreesanth...but the batting to me looks about as fragile as I have seen for quite a long time.

Anyway, I should hope India will perform better vs West Indies, anything short of a convincing win will again be consiered a failure.

They've lost 3 cricket series since 2002/03. 0-2 to NZ (and the pitches did have something ot say about that), 1-2 to Australia and 0-1 to Pakistan. They've been far from poor.

Their recent struggles have come with the fact that whilst their bowling stocks have recently improved, their unbelieavable batting strength of 2003/04 when IMO they were the number 1 batting team in the world has fallen off. They have never had the opportunity to fuse the two of them together and form one very good team. They've never been close to the number 1 team in the world, but I fail to see how they're overrated at test level when they very rarely lose a test series.

With all due respect Swervy, you seem to come out from nowhere with outlandish comments after something has occurred, and then claim you've been saying this was the case for a long time. Its farily conceited. Where were you claiming Sachin was past it when he hit 100, 42 and 95 on the trot against Pakistan during the ODI series. Or why weren't India overrated after their 2nd test win against England?

 

[Jono]

Chopra is a nothing player and just because he is strokeless, people say he is a good foil for Sehwag. what a poor argument? What happens if Sehwag gets injured for 1 year?
Will you drop Chopra for 1 year. Even before Chopra, Bangar was doing the same job ,right. Why drop Bangar and select Chopra. All these strokeless are never going to succeed at the international level. Kaif is another player without any strokes.
We always say players like these are ideal foils for someone like Sehwag or Dravid. What if they are left to bat with a tail ? So dropping Chopra is well justified and i dont see anything wrong in that, whethet it was Chappel era or Wright/Ganguly era.

Relax. Earlier in this thread and another thread I brought up Chopra as a joke, because he was a very very good bat pad. I never really rated him with the bat, I just have a soft spot for him because when India were down here in Australia he annoyed many Australian fans with his boring style of play. It was funny

He was dropped because his highest score was 66, even on flat wickets. End of story.

By the way, just because Kaif doesn't blast cover drives every couple of overs doesn't mean he doesn't have any strokes. That's a very stupid thing to say. Watch the 2002 Natwest Series Final to see the strokes he has in his collection.

 

[Sanz]

9. Hold Greg accountable : For what ? For scoring runs, not slogging when team has back to the wall, for bowling on the off stump when there are only two fielders on the leg side, for holding sitters ? Have a heart. A coach can do something but finally a team wins because players perform on the field.

Of course the coach is accountable and you can be sure Indian coaches are too. Wright wasnt removed on a whim. The Indian team was sliding and fast.

The team is expected to perform over a period of time and the coach's contribution , or lack of it, is noticed. Lets not assume that those who run the affairs of Indian cricket are absolute dumbos and only those who sit out know whats best.

Although it is in the interest of those sitting out, potential or ex coaches, potential or ex managers, potential or ex selectors, potential or ex board officals to make it sound as if that was the case.

Dont get carried away. They are all the same.

No, Let's award Bharat Ratna to Greg Chappell for his outstanding services to Indian Cricket.

 

[silentstriker]

I would suggest recent posters on this thread re-read their posts before submitting them.

Silly comments such as this:


Just lead to flame wars, which we can do without.

You're obviously more than welcome to question a players performance, but do it in a reasonable manner which isn't going to offend a set of fans please.

As an Indian fan, I can say: Dhoni's a ****ing idiot. There is no excuse for playing that shot in that situation. None. That speaks of a person who is not ready for Test cricket. Let him drudge around in domestic cricket for a couple years, then come back.

 

[silentstriker]

No, Let's award Bharat Ratna to Greg Chappell for his outstanding services to Indian Cricket.

The truth is somewhere in between. I've been happy with Chappell as a coach so far. The bowling department is good but inexperienced, while the batting (which existed before his tenure) is not very good. Plus, we have been doing excellent in ODI's...which is a great thing considering the upcoming World Cup.

 

[Sanz]

Chopra is a nothing player and just because he is strokeless, people say he is a good foil for Sehwag. what a poor argument? What happens if Sehwag gets injured for 1 year?
Will you drop Chopra for 1 year. Even before Chopra, Bangar was doing the same job ,right. Why drop Bangar and select Chopra. All these strokeless are never going to succeed at the international level. Kaif is another player without any strokes.
We always say players like these are ideal foils for someone like Sehwag or Dravid. What if they are left to bat with a tail ? So dropping Chopra is well justified and i dont see anything wrong in that, whethet it was Chappel era or Wright/Ganguly era.

To be fair I dont care how Chopra plays, whether he is strokeless or strok-full. Ganguly made a huge mistake by dropping Chopra and promoting Yuvraj as an opener. It is because of Ganguly's fault that our opening is messed up once again.

Here is Chopra's Partnerships in 10 tests (with all wickets during his stay at the wicket) :-

107,97, 164, 128, 127, 4, 66, 48, 141, 5, 128, 11, 160, [5, 15, 0, 7, 34, 1]

Please keep in mind that the last 6 came in last 3 tests where his confidence was shattered and he was not sure of his position in the team any more.

 

[Sanz]

The truth is somewhere in between. I've been happy with Chappell as a coach so far. The bowling department is good but inexperienced, while the batting (which existed before his tenure) is not very good. Plus, we have been doing excellent in ODI's...which is a great thing considering the upcoming World Cup.

I dont think I have any reason to be happy with Chappell's coaching. We lost the test series in Pakistan, almost lost the series to England @ home. We drew the ODI series with SA. All backwards from our performance under Wright. (we had won against SA @ home, test @home against England and test series in Pak)

He did win the ODI series in Pak and @home against SriLanka, and he does get credit for it, more than he deserves.

 

[silentstriker]

I dont think I have any reason to be happy with Chappell's coaching. We lost the test series in Pakistan, almost lost the series to England @ home. We drew the ODI series with SA. All backwards from our performance under Wright. (we had won against SA @ home, test @home against England and test series in Pak)

He did win the ODI series in Pak and @home against SriLanka, and he does get credit for it, more than he deserves.

He gets the blame, but not the credit? And we didn't just win those series, we demolished them.

 

[silentstriker]

To be fair I dont care how Chopra plays, whether he is strokeless or strok-full. Ganguly made a huge mistake by dropping Chopra and promoting Yuvraj as an opener. It is because of Ganguly's fault that our opening is messed up once again.

Here is Chopra's Partnerships in 10 tests (with all wickets during his stay at the wicket) :-

107,97, 164, 128, 127, 4, 66, 48, 141, 5, 128, 11, 160, [5, 15, 0, 7, 34, 1]

Please keep in mind that the last 6 came in last 3 tests where his confidence was shattered and he was not sure of his position in the team any more.

Wow, that is excellent. I did not realize how good that was. Yes, definatly bring him back. I don't care if his best stroke is boring the opposition into submission, but if you are averaging that much in an opening partnership...you stay.

 

[chicane]

As an Indian fan, I can say: Dhoni's a ****ing idiot. There is no excuse for playing that shot in that situation. None. That speaks of a person who is not ready for Test cricket. Let him drudge around in domestic cricket for a couple years, then come back.

theres no excuse for the whole indian batting order having performed liek that....so theyre all idiots?

huge overreaction after losing to a worthy performance by england. dhoni has shown with some sensible knocks in both forms of the game hes not quite a brainless slogger. he plays atrocious shots, but manages to beef the ball over the infeild or over the ropes too, so its alright to play the way he does. besides, in situations he is very good at dropping the ball into gaps and running quick ones and twos. his temperment just needs to develop, and so early in his career its understandable.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

He made a patient 64 in the first innings and looked okay to me. Shot selection needs to be worked on obviously.
It's Dhoni's 'keeping that needs more work IMO, if he can get that up to scratch and score some 50's and the odd ton that'd do for me, nobody should ask him to perform miracles.

 

[chicane]

yeah his keeping needs alot of work. and i guess with a player like him, and looking at some of his achievements, miracles will always be expected.

 

[Anil]

With all due respect Swervy, you seem to come out from nowhere with outlandish comments after something has occurred, and then claim you've been saying this was the case for a long time. Its farily conceited. Where were you claiming Sachin was past it when he hit 100, 42 and 95 on the trot against Pakistan during the ODI series. Or why weren't India overrated after their 2nd test win against England?

yeah the guy seems to be fairly knowledgable about cricket in general but from his comments at least seems to have a serious chip on his shoulder about indian cricket, tendulkar etc....dunno why....have seen him give balanced statements on a lot of other cricketing stuff....

 

[DanielFullard]

Ooohh...This is the first case of in-fighting I have seen on here!

Anyway. On the case of Dhoni I have been saying ever since I joined here that his wicket keeping is not up to test match level, occasionally he shows moments of brilliance but far too often he lets the side down. His batting usually compensates for this but no always. Is there an Indian Wicket Keeper out there who is better than Dhoni at Keeping and will score as many runs as he does with the bat? I doubt it. Is there a player out there 10-20 runs worse than Dhoni but far better at Keeping? I dont know.

His shot selection was insane. First and foremost the droped catch should have kicked him into gear and made him think twice before playing it again, but to do the same shot a few balls later is unforgiveable and whilst some have been saying it should cost him his place in the side, I would not go that far but what I would say its a major blot on his CV and anymore stunts like this and he will be in danger