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[Jono]

Then how do you rate Hussey?

He is averaging nearly 80 (or 30 per innings more than Dhoni) at a strike-rate of 100.

As I said, Dhoni being ranked first is ludicrous

How do I rate Hussey? I rate him as the 2nd best ODI batsman behind Ponting, and I made it clear above that I'd take him first ahead of KP and Dhoni.

I think its obvious I rate Hussey high when I immediately asked adharcric where he was ranked when he posted that Dhoni was #1.

If I had to give you a likely reason why he's only ranked #6, it'd be the amount of runs he's scored in the past 9-10 months. Because he bats later he's had less opportunities to score bigger scores. For example Dhoni's 183* would have got him heaps of points, because 1) its a hell of a lot of runs and 2) it was against Sri Lanka, who at the time were the #2 ranked ODI team in the world. Hussey obviously hasn't come up the order very often (SA 434 game excluded) and so he loses out here.

Unfortunately, there are obvious deficiencies in the system.

After all, we recently had a situation where Jacques Kallis reclaimed his mantle as the world's best all-rounder from Flintoff. Just how does that reflect current form or recent impact?

Why does everyone use that example?

As Liam pointed out, those rankings ARE actually flawed and hence no one really quotes it on the message boards.

And once again no one is using these rankings as gospel. Is it really that hard to realise that the rankings are based on form?

 

[marc71178]

The allrounder ratings are significantly more flawed than the batting/bowling ratings. That's because it deals with more than one discipline. An excellent batting allrounder or bowling allrounder may therefore rank higher than an excellent allrounder.

Beat me to to it.

I think I'm right in saying that Flintoff has created another first with this latest set of ratings.

He's in the top 20 batting and bowling for both Tests and ODIs.

 

[honestbharani]

Beat me to to it.

I think I'm right in saying that Flintoff has created another first with this latest set of ratings.

He's in the top 20 batting and bowling for both Tests and ODIs.

Well, I am not really surprised. I would actually expect him to be in the top 10 of both batting and bowling in both tests and ODIs by the end of the year, if he can get his ODI batting form sorted out. I think he will easily be in the top 10 of bowling in both tests and ODIs. HIs test batting is improving with every outing, the odd stupid slog notwithstanding and I think if he sorts out his ODI batting, there is a very good chance of that happening.

 

[adharcric]

Personally, I don't see that happening. The bowling part has a real good chance, but there are far too many batsmen very consistently doing what he needs to 'try' to do with a little consistency. If it happens, that'll be quite a feat, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[marc71178]

The thing with his Test batting is that is still on a pretty much upward slope, he's at a new career best at the moment, and has in a way conquered his demons with that run of consistency in India.

 

[adharcric]

He definitely showed some consistency in the tests against India, but I wasn't as convinced as I would've liked because he seemed to benefit from a lot of good fortune (near-chances, dropped chances, etc) in his innings (not saying he's not a good batsman, I just expected more assured innings).

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

He definitely showed some consistency in the tests against India, but I wasn't as convinced as I would've liked because he seemed to benefit from a lot of good fortune (near-chances, dropped chances, etc) in his innings (not saying he's not a good batsman, I just expected more assured innings).

Wasn't everyone dropped or missed in that series? The reports are that the fielding wasn't exactly world class.

 

[Jono]

Keeping was ordinary too, just to top it off. And the drops and missed stumpings weren't useless either, Jones' of Kumble in the 1st test was vital, and Dhoni's missed stumping of Flintoff in the 3rd was critical as well.

 

[adharcric]

Exactly. That's why it's tough to rate batsmen based solely on that series, especially if they benefitted from that shoddy fielding.

 

[Richard]

Isn't this thread rather overdue un-topping?
Especially with Eng-SL thread topped.