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***Official*** England in India

Barney Rubble

International Coach
silentstriker said:
Err, I am not comparing hooligans or claiming philadelphia has a monopoly on certain types of fan behavior.. I was simply stating how home fans SHOULD behave. They SHOULD make the opposing team unconfortable and feel unwelcome....if it leads to a dropped catch or a lapse in concentration...you've done your job. It's called home advantage. I don't advocate anything physical though.
All I was saying is what is seen at cricket grounds is nothing like a genuinely intimidating atmosphere. Cricket crowds just put pressure on players, and it very seldom works. You have to look at other sports - and by that I mean football, really - if you want to see fans really making a difference.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
In relation to this Dhoni/Jones arguement on who is the better batsman, i think for those who are saying that the fact that Dhoni hasn't batted most of his career so far in the sub-continent & Jones has had more experience batting around the world doesn't add up for me. You cant just go by those petty facts, i have seen enoigh of them both & i think Dhoni has the edge as a batsman over Jones for sure..
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Looking at England possible test team, I'm starting to fall for the option of picking Blackwell ahead of either Panesar or Udal. Since it obviously england will need to depend on their seamers to win in India a la Australia last year, Blackwell could be used as a good tie up bowler, so this would be my team for the Nagpur test:

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Flintoff
G Jones
Blackwell
Hoggard
Harmison
S Jones
 

UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
aussie said:
Looking at England possible test team, I'm starting to fall for the option of picking Blackwell ahead of either Panesar or Udal. Since it obviously england will need to depend on their seamers to win in India a la Australia last year, Blackwell could be used as a good tie up bowler, so this would be my team for the Nagpur test:

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Flintoff
G Jones
Blackwell
Hoggard
Harmison
S Jones
Problem is I don't see Blackwell being good enough to tie up an end, he could quite easily be smashed out of the attack. Would also like to see GoJo bat at six and Freddie at 7. Flintoff's batting outside England has been poor to say the least and would like to see how Jones plays with the added responsibility of being in the top 6.
 

adharcric

International Coach
UncleTheOne said:
Problem is I don't see Blackwell being good enough to tie up an end, he could quite easily be smashed out of the attack. Would also like to see GoJo bat at six and Freddie at 7. Flintoff's batting outside England has been poor to say the least and would like to see how Jones plays with the added responsibility of being in the top 6.
As the Indians are both adept and aggressive against spin bowling, I don't think a mere "tie-up" bowler who can bowl a good line and length will do the trick for England. He probably won't be able to "tie up" things against the Indian batsmen. England should go for a spinner who can produce more magical deliveries and generate some turn, etc. ... Panesar.
 

UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
adharcric said:
As the Indians are both adept and aggressive against spin bowling, I don't think a mere "tie-up" bowler who can bowl a good line and length will do the trick for England. He probably won't be able to "tie up" things against the Indian batsmen. England should go for a spinner who can produce more magical deliveries and generate some turn, etc. ... Panesar.
The downside to that is you would have a tail that consists of Hoggard, Harmison, Jones and Panesar. He is also an unknown and untried quantity, ahhhh the job of being a selector is not all beer and skittles.
 

adharcric

International Coach
UncleTheOne said:
The downside to that is you would have a tail that consists of Hoggard, Harmison, Jones and Panesar. He is also an unknown and untried quantity, ahhhh the job of being a selector is not all beer and skittles.
Only if you're an English selector, too bad Giles is your only proven decent spinner. The Indian selectors don't have a very tough job but still manage to do a pathetic job half the time. No wonder Agarkar is still making the test team and two specialist openers are warming the bench.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
adharcric said:
Only if you're an English selector, too bad Giles is your only proven decent spinner. The Indian selectors don't have a very tough job but still manage to do a pathetic job half the time. No wonder Agarkar is still making the test team and two specialist openers are warming the bench.
As a fan, I fully agree with that last line. However, if England can select a value-added bowler like Giles as their only spinner, why can't the Indians pick Sanjay Bangar or any similar player as a third seamer? Look at it this way–
  • Bangar may only be medium-pace, but Giles is no sqaure turner of the ball either
  • Both have enough variations to last long
  • Both can bowl a tight line and length
  • Both are fit enough to bowl long spells
  • Seam is not India's main bowling strength, nor is spin England's
  • Both can contribute more than a few runs with the bat, and can hit the ball very hard.
Worth a try.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
silentstriker said:
Well, perhaps its not such a BIG deal if you do it AFTER the game. What is silly is to applaud someone for any reason during the game.
So how come the best series in years was played by 2 sides who were very respectful to each other on the field?
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
How's this for an England lineup, for my two cents:

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Flintoff
G Jones
Blackwell
Harmison
S Jones
Panesar
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Barney Rubble said:
How's this for an England lineup, for my two cents:

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Flintoff
G Jones
Blackwell
Harmison
S Jones
Panesar
That's the team I'd want (out of the players that are out there...ruddy Blackwell).
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
So how come the best series in years was played by 2 sides who were very respectful to each other on the field?
Would it have been any less exciting if they disrespected each other on the field?
 

UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
Barney Rubble said:
How's this for an England lineup, for my two cents:

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Flintoff
G Jones
Blackwell
Harmison
S Jones
Panesar
Blackwell and Panesar get smacked about, we're left with 3 bowlers we can rely on. I don't know if we can risk including both.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Fact is, Panesar is the best spinner available, but he'll never play unless Blackwell is there to bat 8. So it's neither or both.
 
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Barney Rubble

International Coach
UncleTheOne said:
Blackwell and Panesar get smacked about, we're left with 3 bowlers we can rely on. I don't know if we can risk including both.
By a similar token, if Hoggard fails to find any swing, I'm no sure we can risk including him - and I certainly don't want to see Udal playing again! :-O
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I can't really see Blackwell playing unless he does something pretty special between now and the Tests. Udal was picked first, so why else would England leave Blackwell on standby if he was going to play? Udal will likely be the number 8, although personally I'd sooner have Plunkett there...
 

UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
Barney Rubble said:
By a similar token, if Hoggard fails to find any swing, I'm no sure we can risk including him - and I certainly don't want to see Udal playing again! :-O
I still think I'd take Hoggard over both of them. Of course in India the pitches tend to favour spinners, but this also means Indian batsmen get to play a lot more spin bowling making them probably the best players of it in the world.

I think if England are to seriously compete in this series then it will be the quicks that do the damage.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Scaly piscine said:
I can't really see Blackwell playing unless he does something pretty special between now and the Tests. Udal was picked first, so why else would England leave Blackwell on standby if he was going to play? Udal will likely be the number 8, although personally I'd sooner have Plunkett there...
The way I see it, if two spinners are going to play it'll be Blackwell and Panesar, as already mentioned - but if only one plays, it'll be Udal. Sounds strange, but it's what I've got in my head is going to happen for some reason. :blink:
 

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