***Official*** England in India

[luckyeddie]

Ashley Giles in any case has been ruled out, and Ian Blackwell replaces him.. anyway in any case, our spin bowlers are far better than those two left arm spinners...

There's no doubt of that.

 

[silentstriker]

How on earth can you compare a pacer with a spinner?

I think you meant -

A. Giles/S.Udal - Kumble Advantage: India

Well, India are likely to go with two spinners, while England might just go in with one. So I had to pick . On Indian wickets, kumble would have to take the advantage over almost any pacer.

If it were in England, it would have to be the other way around.

anyway in any case, our spin bowlers are far better than those two left arm spinners...

Wait, you are saying English bowlers are better than Kumble/Harbhajan on Indian wickets (or did you mean the other way around)?

 

[marc71178]

Ashley Giles in any case has been ruled out, and Ian Blackwell replaces him.. anyway in any case, our spin bowlers are far better than those two left arm spinners...

But only 1 of them tops will play, so Jones has to be compared with someone.

 

[Nishant]

But only 1 of them tops will play, so Jones has to be compared with someone.

i think that the likes of jones can trouble the indians but our pitches are gonna be so good 4 just spinners and batsmen, that jones and co are not gonna make a difference

 

[aussie]

Never, ever, ever thought I'd read that.

from what i've seen i would say that Jone's & Dhoni's keeping are even.

 

[aussie]

well england are off to India tommorow & from then its just non-stop cricket for them until the WC, my only fear is that the Big Freddie doesn't burn out with the huge workload with the ball that he is likely to have in both form of the game..

 

[Nishant]

from what i've seen i would say that Jone's & Dhoni's keeping are even.

That true! However, it is obvious that Dhoni is a far better batsman than jones as can be seen by the performance today against pakistan. 72 of 47! amazing!

 

[Tom Halsey]

But only 1 of them tops will play, so Jones has to be compared with someone.

Fletcher has said publicly on Sky that it is very likely that two spinners will play, and thus a seamer will be left out.

 

[Jono]

If they do that I'd be willing to say England won't win. Its their seamers that are going to be the main reason if they do win the series. I just can't understand why they'd go in with 2 spinners. If there is anything to be learnt about how to defeat India in India, its through sheer brilliant fast bowling. See Allan Donald, Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie for examples.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I don't really see a problem if Hoggard is left out, he's a bit of a horses for courses bowler anyway - if the pitches don't suit he barely bowls. I don't think England can afford to have this luxury in India.

 

[Pratters]

If they do that I'd be willing to say England won't win. Its their seamers that are going to be the main reason if they do win the series. I just can't understand why they'd go in with 2 spinners. If there is anything to be learnt about how to defeat India in India, its through sheer brilliant fast bowling. See Allan Donald, Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie for examples.

Yep I believe the same. I said how England should consider going in with an all pace attack in Pakistan

Can England do it despite having a pace centric attack rather than a spin centric attack? Australia did it in India only when they relied on their strength and opted not to change too many things. South Africa, which was the first team to break the jinx of away teams losing in India did it with a rather weak spin attack. The Windies team won every where with their pace battery. So the key is to focus on the strengths rather than change too many things.

I maintain that they should adopt the same verus India. For one India are better players of spin specially at home. For two, England do not have their best spinner Ashley Giles. (We do not know how good Monty Panesar but can we, practically, expect him to create wonders in his first international tour?)

Play a four pronged pace attack. Have Bell and Collingwood play the role of the stock bowler.

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Jones
Hoggard
Jones
Harmison

 

[aussie]

Yep I believe the same. I said how England should consider going in with an all pace attack in Pakistan



I maintain that they should adopt the same verus India. For one India are better players of spin specially at home. For two, England do not have their best spinner Ashley Giles. (We do not know how good Monty Panesar but can we, practically, expect him to create wonders in his first international tour?)

Play a four pronged pace attack. Have Bell and Collingwood play the role of the stock bowler.

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Jones
Hoggard
Jones
Harmison

fair idea but i do get the gut feeling that one spinner will play regardless of the fact that england have lost their best spinner.

 

[sledger]

That true! However, it is obvious that Dhoni is a far better batsman than jones as can be seen by the performance today against pakistan. 72 of 47! amazing!

if we are going on strike rates alone then on that logic afridi is the best batsman in the world.

 

[Tom Halsey]

On an unrelated note, am I the only one to notice this gem from quote... unquote?

"We want to try and win in India."
Michael Vaughan states the bleeding obvious before boarding the plane to India

 

[Dasa]

if we are going on strike rates alone then on that logic afridi is the best batsman in the world.

Why not go by averages then? 50.19 not enough for you?

 

[Tom Halsey]

Don't think he quite said that, did he? He just said that strike rate alone is not the best judge of a batsman.

 

[Jono]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise what he was suggesting. Dhoni has far more to his batting that just a high strike rate, and whilst he's very inexperienced in test cricket, he's had a great start so far. In ODI cricket, an average over 50 with a SR over 100 suggests he wipes the floor with Geraint Jones.

 

[Nishant]

if we are going on strike rates alone then on that logic afridi is the best batsman in the world.

its not just about strike rates!. Dhoni has an average of 50 in ODIs. Wat's Jones's average? Dhoni, to me, is a also reasonably consistent as he hit 68 in the first game. Dhoni has made a big name for himself all over the world. Jones on the other hand hasn't cos he isnt as gud. However, he is decent and can win matches, just not as well as Dhoni.

 

[Jono]

Well Dhoni hasn't made a name for himself on non-subcontinental pitches, but that is irrelevant when it comes to this series. Its a home India series, and Dhoni is definitely enjoying himself with the bat in both forms of the game.

 

[Nishant]

On an unrelated note, am I the only one to notice this gem from quote... unquote?

"We want to try and win in India."
Michael Vaughan states the bleeding obvious before boarding the plane to India

Vaughan always tries to make it look like that England are in control and doesnt give away much when confronted by the media. He's just trying to stay positive. Heard that quote about how the fans in india will help england? Thats a load of rubbish! Those fans will help only india 100%. Everytime a english player takes a wicket or smacks a boundry, there will a demoralising pin-drop silence around the ground. How will that help England?