***Official*** Bangladesh in England

[marc71178]

may be because that they didnt show it on TV

So you think the BBC radio commentators didn't have monitors with the replays being shown?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

So you think the BBC radio commentators didn't have monitors with the replays being shown?

Well you know the BBC are cutting back on costs Those damn tv monitors can be expensive!

 

[Arjun]

What would you like to see different in the England ODI setup? Frankly, if they persist with the current setup, they're headed for disaster. They're not taking enough singles- Vaughan in particular needs to run harder between the wickets, if he has to boost his average and strike rate. They have a good opener in Strauss, so why bat him at four, with misfits opening the batting? This 'wicketkeeper-batsman' thing has not worked for England- what they have is another Rahul Dravid behind the stumps, adding to fielding worries- there are a few weak links too many. Someone mentioned Mascarenhas from Hampshire, but they need to extract more runs from Giles and Read in combination. They can try out genuine strike bowlers in place of those up-and-down medium-pacers, who are soft targets on batting-friendly wickets.

 

[wpdavid]

What would you like to see different in the England ODI setup? Frankly, if they persist with the current setup, they're headed for disaster. They're not taking enough singles- Vaughan in particular needs to run harder between the wickets, if he has to boost his average and strike rate. They have a good opener in Strauss, so why bat him at four, with misfits opening the batting? This 'wicketkeeper-batsman' thing has not worked for England- what they have is another Rahul Dravid behind the stumps, adding to fielding worries- there are a few weak links too many. Someone mentioned Mascarenhas from Hampshire, but they need to extract more runs from Giles and Read in combination. They can try out genuine strike bowlers in place of those up-and-down medium-pacers, who are soft targets on batting-friendly wickets.

To be fair, the only medium pacers in most recent games have come from Collingwood as 5th bowler, which is fair enough, and he's done OK most of the time. With Flintoff back in the side, Colly will be 6th bowler anyway. The problem hasn't been not picking strike bowlers - it's more that the ones we have don't strike often enough to put the opposition under pressure. Maybe Simon Jones will turn out to be a good pick in the NW games this summer.

As for the batting, I don't know anyone who disagrees with you that Strauss should open with Tresco with Jones or another keeper at 7. Apart from any other considerations, having Jones at 2 & Strauss at 4 means either Flintoff or Pietersen coming in at 6, which is lower than we would want.

 

[biased indian]

So you think the BBC radio commentators didn't have monitors with the replays being shown?

i would need some proof

 

[kof98]

Isn't it possible to tell if a catch has carried by using the camera that is square to the wicket?

 

[The Baconator]

Isn't it possible to tell if a catch has carried by using the camera that is square to the wicket?

If you mean the 3rd umpire one, then probably not unless it's a spinner because the keeper would be too far back.

 

[wpdavid]

What do people make of Batty replacing the injured Giles in the onedayers? For all my misgivings about Blackwell, I would have thought he is a better bet in this form of the game. His bowling's been no worse than Batty's, and his batting just could take off, even if we haven't seen much sign of it yet.

 

[aussie]

What do people make of Batty replacing the injured Giles in the onedayers? For all my misgivings about Blackwell, I would have thought he is a better bet in this form of the game. His bowling's been no worse than Batty's, and his batting just could take off, even if we haven't seen much sign of it yet.

Blackwell....... i dont know about him, dont get carried away with his slaughtering of the county bowlers, he wont be doing that againts the aussies, i dont see a problem with Batty being selected if anyone else was Graemw Swann

 

[SpaceMonkey]

What do people make of Batty replacing the injured Giles in the onedayers? For all my misgivings about Blackwell, I would have thought he is a better bet in this form of the game. His bowling's been no worse than Batty's, and his batting just could take off, even if we haven't seen much sign of it yet.

I seriously take offence at you even comparing Blackwells bowling to Batty's

 

[marc71178]

What do people make of Batty replacing the injured Giles in the onedayers? For all my misgivings about Blackwell, I would have thought he is a better bet in this form of the game. His bowling's been no worse than Batty's, and his batting just could take off, even if we haven't seen much sign of it yet.

Who ever comes in will have to bat 8 realistically.

Is Swann still not fit?

 

[Arjun]

To be fair, the only medium pacers in most recent games have come from Collingwood as 5th bowler, which is fair enough, and he's done OK most of the time. With Flintoff back in the side, Colly will be 6th bowler anyway. The problem hasn't been not picking strike bowlers - it's more that the ones we have don't strike often enough to put the opposition under pressure. Maybe Simon Jones will turn out to be a good pick in the NW games this summer.

Collingwood may fill in for an out-of-form bowler, but may be a liability if used as a frontliner- thrice, we have seen him get milked by the batting side, or taken apart for fours and a few sixes.

Moreover, not too many would consider ODI specialists like Kabir Ali (another fielding liability) and Alex Wharf among England's top seven bowlers. As a lot of us know, these two were picked for their batting, but Giles and Mascarenhas can do better. Of course, Kabir Ali had bowled well in the series against SA, the ER over 5 notwithstanding, but against the Aussies, he may not be so effective. Simon Jones, as you may have noticed, is not much of a good choice even for county OD's, but he bowled well in Zim (they are, after all, Zims) and he is one of the top bowlers to play for England, so he's not too bad a choice. Hoggard has his problems in ODI's, while Anderson is a flat-pitch target.

As for the batting, I don't know anyone who disagrees with you that Strauss should open with Tresco with Jones or another keeper at 7. Apart from any other considerations, having Jones at 2 & Strauss at 4 means either Flintoff or Pietersen coming in at 6, which is lower than we would want.

The problem with the keepers is that Jones is a weak link behind the stumps, while Read won't last long with the bat. As a keeper, Read is a much better choice- he gave away fewer byes in three Tests in WI than Jones did in his debut Test there. However, why can't they get more runs out of Giles? He's got a very good record as a batsman at the FC/ListA level, and with him scoring runs, you wouldn't need a wicketkeeper-batsman, though a combination of Giles and Read can score more than a few useful runs.

 

[Arjun]

What do people make of Batty replacing the injured Giles in the onedayers? For all my misgivings about Blackwell, I would have thought he is a better bet in this form of the game. His bowling's been no worse than Batty's, and his batting just could take off, even if we haven't seen much sign of it yet.

Batty? Hmmm....strange choice. As for Blackwell, they can then go in with Read as keeper, given Blackwell's batting, but his bowling isn't top-seven stuff, even when boosted with superior fielding. Some other reserve spinners were in the news in the recent past, but again, it's the top seven bowlers you have to pick- you already have Gough, Flintoff, Harmison and Giles, and maybe Jones- who else would you choose?

 

[wpdavid]

I seriously take offence at you even comparing Blackwells bowling to Batty's

Well, I hate to cause offence, but there really isn't much to choose between them in oneday cricket. Blackwell's record in ODI's is actually much better than Batty's, although, to be fair, Batty has only played 6 of them so far. In List A games as a whole, they have identical averages and Batty's ER is all of 0.4 of a run better.

 

[wpdavid]

Batty? Hmmm....strange choice. As for Blackwell, they can then go in with Read as keeper, given Blackwell's batting, but his bowling isn't top-seven stuff, even when boosted with superior fielding. Some other reserve spinners were in the news in the recent past, but again, it's the top seven bowlers you have to pick- you already have Gough, Flintoff, Harmison and Giles, and maybe Jones- who else would you choose?

Blackwell's bowling in his 23 ODI's has been surprisingly effective. Bearing in mind most of them have been against Aus & SL a couple of years ago or on some absolute roads in WI last year, his ER of 4.5 and average of 32.3 are pretty respectable.

The choice of bowlers isn't easy, and I wouldn't criticise the selectors' current choice. I thought Ali showed some promise in SA, and if he can get rid of his occasional 20+ overs, then he looks as good as anyone. Don't forget that he's only played a handful of ODI's, so it's early days yet. As you said, Jones hasn't played much oneday stuff for Glam, but I think they're right to have a look at him. It's a gamble, but I don't see that there's a lot to lose. Beyond the current squad, I really wouldn't know who else to pick as strike bowlers, to be honest. Hoggard has regularly been slaughtered in this form of the game. Maybe Tremlett? But I'm guessing, to be fair.

 

[Arjun]

In that case, the options would be Gough, Giles, Flintoff, Harmison, Blackwell, Jones and Ali. How would that look? And what's your opinion of Hampshire all-rounder Mascarenhas? You mentioned Tremlett, he's got a rather good FC/ListA record, but would you have him in an England ODI side so soon?

 

[wpdavid]

In that case, the options would be Gough, Giles, Flintoff, Harmison, Blackwell, Jones and Ali. How would that look? And what's your opinion of Hampshire all-rounder Mascarenhas? You mentioned Tremlett, he's got a rather good FC/ListA record, but would you have him in an England ODI side so soon?

Truth is I really haven't seen enough of Tremlett to make an informed decision. If he is good enough, I'd have no problems playing him at this stage in his career - he's been around for a year or two - but I honestly don't know how good he is.

I think the guys you've listed could be OK - don't forget that we didn't have Flintoff or Jones in SA, to we should be stronger than 4 months ago. I've got mixed views about Harmy playing in these. I know he did well enough last summer, but he was bowling better then in all forms of the game. Maybe the discipline of this format will force him to bowl straighter, otherwise Aus will take him to the cleaners.

Actually, the batting was a real problem last summer and in SA. A number of big names did very little, and if that doesn't improve, the bowlers have no chance, whoever we pick.

 

[Arjun]

Actually, the batting was a real problem last summer and in SA. A number of big names did very little, and if that doesn't improve, the bowlers have no chance, whoever we pick.

Trescothick is an enigma- why can't he take his home form to matches away from England? At least he's a better ODI batsman, and he's playing at home. Jones doesn't fit the bill as one of England's top seven batsmen, certainly not as opener or keeper. Pietersen's ODI record is out of this world, but the bubble will burst soon, though he's good enough for an average over 50. Collingwood needs to convert his starts into big scores, but he's not too bad in ODI's- likewise Strauss. The real problem is Vaughan- you can't have a batsman with figures like those in your starting lineup, but they'd be a lot better if he took a lot more singles. Whom would you have as reserves? Ian Bell is one easy choice, and maybe David Fulton, given his stats and recent form, though the reserve batsmen have to be very effective on the field as well, since they may not get too many matches.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

and maybe David Fulton, given his stats and recent form, though the reserve batsmen have to be very effective on the field as well, since they may not get too many matches.

Don't go there. Just don't.

 

[wpdavid]

Trescothick is an enigma- why can't he take his home form to matches away from England? At least he's a better ODI batsman, and he's playing at home. Jones doesn't fit the bill as one of England's top seven batsmen, certainly not as opener or keeper. Pietersen's ODI record is out of this world, but the bubble will burst soon, though he's good enough for an average over 50. Collingwood needs to convert his starts into big scores, but he's not too bad in ODI's- likewise Strauss. The real problem is Vaughan- you can't have a batsman with figures like those in your starting lineup, but they'd be a lot better if he took a lot more singles. Whom would you have as reserves? Ian Bell is one easy choice, and maybe David Fulton, given his stats and recent form, though the reserve batsmen have to be very effective on the field as well, since they may not get too many matches.

My over-riding thought is that players who aren't in the frame for the test side are hardly ever good enough for ODI's, so, if Vaughan did go, Bell would be the obvious replacement at 3. I certainly wouldn't bring in some middling county player and expect them to do a thing anywhere near the top of the order in the oneday side. I'm just hoping that the performances in SA were simply the sign of a group of players who were worn out after the tests and didn't really want to be there.