**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Magrat Garlick]

They shouldn't just yet, he has some awesome talent.

Should have put a in my post, I think...

 

[Arjun]

Dont know if he has awesome talent but you are dead right. Once they give someone a chance, they must persevere. In fact, this is what they have done wrong with everyone. Let them be very sure of the person before they bring him in but once in, a one test failure is no consideration whatsoever.

The problem with the Indian selectors, or the captain in particular, is that they just stick to an exclusive lot of 15 players. This club mentality has allowed some average, even mediocre players to settle in the team for along time, even if they just don't look the part, and there are suitable and even better alternatives. This is why there is no bench strength- the Indians don't need any if they are an exclusive club. A few casualties are Jai Prakash Yadav, L Balaji, Ramesh Powar, Amit Bhandari, Ajay Ratra, Gautam Gambhir and Akash Chopra. The list can go on and on.

 

[Mister Wright]

From most people's expressed opinions, there was never any doubt that Clarke would be a worthy test player; the problem was displacing one of the incumbent players, of which all had performed recently at some time or other.

So when the opportunity arose through injury, Clarke demanded the spot. He had already earned it. He had shown the goods by sticking it to India before, he had shown the goods by coming over to India just last season and giving them a flaying and showing a precocious approach to the game.

What, if any of that, can be said of Hauritz?

Choosing my arguments my Western Australian @r$e, Kyle.

My post was referring to the test squad, not the test team. How Clarke could have claimed a spot ahead of Love, Symonds and Hodge is beyond me. Note I also said that that Hauritz & White don't deserve their spots ahead of MacGill.

 

[Mister Wright]

Well if ODIs count for nothing, I don't know how someone is supposed to earn a Test spot when they haven't played a Test. First Class? Well what about the hundred in Tasmania? Either way, he smacked of class against India.

And for God's sake, I think everyone has had enough of this Queensland/NSW tripe. Why doesn't Queensland do the rest of Australia a favour and secede? Then the entire Queensland team could be international players without this discrimination that keeps all your players out of the Australian team. And hey, if we're to believe the blinkered Queenslanders, it wouldn't be a problem because they're all Test class anyway.

At least NSW isn't so vocal about this interstate rivalry that they cry foul every time a Queenslander makes the team. But don't call me a NSW sympathizer; I hate them too.

There are FOUR other states apart from NSW and QLD, and they've all had worthy players left out at some point or another. It's not discrimination.

So give us a rest, please, before my ears start bleeding.

Love got 90 odd in that same match, he also got 200 against England in a tour game along with several other double centuries in that series and a triple-ton in the next series, much better form than Clarke.

Not all Queenslanders are test class. It would be terrible if players like Perren, Nye, Nash and Simpson were even considered for a test spot ahead of other better candidates. However, Maher, Symonds, Love and Secombe are all test class and if they were born 5 years later or in another country they would be walk-ins to any test side.

 

[Andre]

Well if ODIs count for nothing, I don't know how someone is supposed to earn a Test spot when they haven't played a Test. First Class? Well what about the hundred in Tasmania? Either way, he smacked of class against India.

And for God's sake, I think everyone has had enough of this Queensland/NSW tripe. Why doesn't Queensland do the rest of Australia a favour and secede? Then the entire Queensland team could be international players without this discrimination that keeps all your players out of the Australian team. And hey, if we're to believe the blinkered Queenslanders, it wouldn't be a problem because they're all Test class anyway.

At least NSW isn't so vocal about this interstate rivalry that they cry foul every time a Queenslander makes the team. But don't call me a NSW sympathizer; I hate them too.

There are FOUR other states apart from NSW and QLD, and they've all had worthy players left out at some point or another. It's not discrimination.

So give us a rest, please, before my ears start bleeding.

Wait.

Hogg can do a good job in ODI's but be not good enough for Tests, but Clarke can do a good job in ODI's and qualify as good enough for selection?

Interesting.

 

[Mister Wright]

Wait.

Hogg can do a good job in ODI's but be not good enough for Tests, but Clarke can do a good job in ODI's and qualify as good enough for selection?

Interesting.

Exactly, like I said choosing his arguments.

 

[bugssy]

This is an about face. One minute, we should be giving young guys a go (because of their potential - see Clarke) next players have to earn it. In that case, shouldn't MacGill, Love, Maher, Symonds, Hussey and others be on tour ahead of either White & Hauritz or Clarke?

very good point, i think in a game that is a dead rubber players like white should be given a go , but on the other hand you can understand why macgill get so frustrated as he does nothing wrong and fills the gap when warney is out but just can not get the call up often enough, but in saying that he does say what he speaks and i dont think the acb board really get on well with macgilla

 

[marc71178]

Answered your own question.

No, I did not.

The 2 forms are distinct and success in one does not demand selection in the other.

 

[Top_Cat]

My post was referring to the test squad, not the test team. How Clarke could have claimed a spot ahead of Love, Symonds and Hodge is beyond me. Note I also said that that Hauritz & White don't deserve their spots ahead of MacGill.

Sometimes, one has to look beyond stats and performance. I thought that the selectors would have waited with Clarke but it's plainly obvious to anyone who watches the guy that even if his stats don't stack up, they will soon! If we were to go on nothing but stats, Glenn McGrath wouldn't have been picked in the Test side after 8 games with NSW and someone like Mike Whitney or Wayne Holdsworth would have got the Test spot ahead of him. And how much sense would that have made?!?!? What was Warnie averaging for Vic before he got picked, 40+ wasn't it? Sometimes, you just 'know' a player is good enough so you should back them ahead of even more established stars, like you would if you were a corporate boss who 'saw something' in a junior employee and decided to promote them.

 

[Mister Wright]

Sometimes, one has to look beyond stats and performance. I thought that the selectors would have waited with Clarke but it's plainly obvious to anyone who watches the guy that even if his stats don't stack up, they will soon! If we were to go on nothing but stats, Glenn McGrath wouldn't have been picked int he Test side after 8 games with NSW and someone like Mike Whitney or Wayne Holdsworth would have got the Test spot ahead of him. And how much sense would that have made?!?!? What was Warnie averaging for Vic before he got picked, 40+ wasn't it? Sometimes, you just 'know' a player is good enough so you shoudl back them ahead of even more established stars, like you would if you were a corporate boss who 'saw something' in a junior employee and decided to promite them.

At the time that McGrath and Warne were introduced into the test side the Australian side wasn't the power it is now, there weren't that many quality candidates, so there intoduction is fair enough. But to say that Clarke, a relative rookie should get in ahead of players who have been consistent, not just for one season, but several consectively is a bit rich IMO. Fair enough if there were no other quality candidates, but not this occasion.

 

[biased indian]

This thread now holds the record for most number of replies for a thread in cricket chat beating the england NZ thread (3264)

which shows we are breaking the records very fast showing we are growing as a forum very fast

 

[Mister Wright]

This thread now holds the record for most number of replies for a thread in cricket chat beating the england NZ thread (3264)

which shows we are breaking the records very fast showing we are growing as a forum very fast

Does that include the India v Australia thread? I seem to remember that Amits got the thread moving very quickly.

Wow...great achievement.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well if ODIs count for nothing, I don't know how someone is supposed to earn a Test spot when they haven't played a Test. First Class? Well what about the hundred in Tasmania? Either way, he smacked of class against India.

And for God's sake, I think everyone has had enough of this Queensland/NSW tripe. Why doesn't Queensland do the rest of Australia a favour and secede? Then the entire Queensland team could be international players without this discrimination that keeps all your players out of the Australian team. And hey, if we're to believe the blinkered Queenslanders, it wouldn't be a problem because they're all Test class anyway.

At least NSW isn't so vocal about this interstate rivalry that they cry foul every time a Queenslander makes the team. But don't call me a NSW sympathizer; I hate them too.

There are FOUR other states apart from NSW and QLD, and they've all had worthy players left out at some point or another. It's not discrimination.

So give us a rest, please, before my ears start bleeding.

Well said mate.

I actually am from NSW but don't care where our players come from as long as the team keeps winning. This crap that seems to pop up on all forums at some stage or another always seems to be coming from the same place. Bring on the next era of good Australian players, be they from QLD, NSW, SA, Tassy, WA, Vic and so on.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Its not a NSW/Queensland thing, its a NSW/Rest of Australia thing. Don't you think that Hussey and North should have got more recognition?

There's only 11 players in a team last time I looked...................they're recognised as good players, who would you drop?

 

[marc71178]

Does that include the India v Australia thread?

A pathetic 2653!

The England NZ being the most somewhat surprises me though!

 

[Mister Wright]

A pathetic 2653!

The England NZ being the most somewhat surprises me though!

That surprises me. I swear there was a post a minute for a whole day when Amits went on a rampage.

There you go.

 

[Son Of Coco]

My post was referring to the test squad, not the test team. How Clarke could have claimed a spot ahead of Love, Symonds and Hodge is beyond me. Note I also said that that Hauritz & White don't deserve their spots ahead of MacGill.

The difference being that Clarke scored 150 on debut, Symonds didn't. If he had of, when offered the chance, then there'd be no question that he'd be in the team. His name keeps popping up, but he was given the chance and did nothing, and that's the way it goes in the team these days.

Love is very unlucky not to be there, perhaps Clarke was chosen on talent, and the fact that he is a player of the future - and that's not to say that Love isn't extremely talented, he is. I'm not quite sure what else he could have done to cement a spot, but unfortunately he was around when there were a lot of other good batsmen around too, and seemed to only be used as a replacement a majority of the time. Hodge may well be in the same boat age wise....

If anything, Allan borders comments recently suggest that Clarke had been held back from Test cricket until selectors were sure he was ready, but then without Ponting's injury he'd still be waiting around as well.

 

[Arjun]

Why was SteamShip not given a match? Because his name is not Ajit Agarkar? The existing pace attack has failed, and there is no harm in playing a fresh, new bowler, but someone has cold feet.

 

[Steulen]

I can't wait for the indians to be bowled out, so that we get to see it at last: Sachin Tendulkar opening the bowling for India.

Mind you, they way he bats at the moment, he arguably is in the side as a specialist bowler

 

[twctopcat]

The aussies will crumble as sachin shows why he is the finest exponent of swing bowling with the new ball since Fred Trueman.