**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Slats4ever]

give the guy a chance... we're gonna whip some indian butt anyway, it'll be good to blood him against a weak opposition...

 

[Mr Casson]

give the guy a chance... we're gonna whip some indian butt anyway, it'll be good to blood him against a weak opposition...

Why blood him against weak opposition? He can do that back in Australian domestic cricket. If we're going to 'whip some Indian butt anyway', then why not give me a game? What happened to selecting the best XI?

And no I won't give him a chance. He has to earn it.

 

[mavric41]

So they thought that Bracken and Williams were special last season? I think they were the best of a bad bunch, not special.

My problem with Hauritz playing is not that he isn't good enough; he can play a million damn ODIs for all I care, but he isn't Test standard. My problem is the prostitution of the Baggy Green, which is a special thing to receive for those who have earned it. And no, he hasn't come close to earning it.

Neither has Brad Hogg yet he got picked. Brad Williams was with the Australian side for a while and Bracken - well he was from NSW (they also both had good OD tournaments in India just before the test series).

At least Hauritz is young and should learn from the experiance - don't write him off yet.

 

[Eclipse]

Hauritz just does not look capable of taking wickets..

at least with Clarke even when out of form his talent is obviouse for all to see.

 

[masterblaster]

*waits for calls for Gambhir to get dropped in 5...4...3...

They shouldn't just yet, he has some awesome talent.

 

[Mr Casson]

Neither has Brad Hogg yet he got picked. Brad Williams was with the Australian side for a while and Bracken - well he was from NSW (they also both had good OD tournaments in India just before the test series).

At least Hauritz is young and should learn from the experiance - don't write him off yet.

Brad Hogg was only slightly less useless. He should be selected behind Casson for WA.

Test cricket is not about giving a guy some experience; it's about the very best in the world taking each other on in the hardest form of the game.

 

[Mister Wright]

Neither has Brad Hogg yet he got picked. Brad Williams was with the Australian side for a while and Bracken - well he was from NSW (they also both had good OD tournaments in India just before the test series).

At least Hauritz is young and should learn from the experiance - don't write him off yet.

Mr Casson just has a case of choosing his arguments. I believe that Stuart MacGill should have been the second spinner chosen. Fair enough we were going to play 3 quicks throughout the whole series, but Shane Warne is a goose, and does stupid things, so we should of had back up just in case there wasn't enough time to fly Stuart MacGill over (which there wasn't). I, don't think Hauritz, White, Hodge or Clarke have deserved their spots on this tour considering the fine records of players they were selected ahead of.

Ged is fine to have his views on Hauritz, but to use the "he doesn't earn his spot" defense is a very bad argument, when the player he has been touting for months, the-one-the-only Michael Clarke certainly did not deserve a spot on tour.

 

[mavric41]

Brad Hogg was only slightly less useless. He should be selected behind Casson for WA.

Test cricket is not about giving a guy some experience; it's about the very best in the world taking each other on in the hardest form of the game.

I agree - but then we would have to banish Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the Kiwis (just stirring about the last one)

What would you have the Australians do - play with only 10 men.

Warne broke his finger. If your best is not available, you pick the next best AVAILABLE - Hauritz.

Saying MacGill should be picked is irrelevant. He is not part of the tour party.

 

[marc71178]

It will be a big mistake if they play him IMO.. Cam White's not much better mind you.

Would be interesting if Warne retires soon then...

 

[mavric41]

Would be interesting if Warne retires soon then...

MacGill would then play - no problem.

Its the next rung that they have concerns about.

 

[Mr Casson]

Ged is fine to have his views on Hauritz, but to use the "he doesn't earn his spot" defense is a very bad argument, when the player he has been touting for months, the-one-the-only Michael Clarke certainly did not deserve a spot on tour.

From most people's expressed opinions, there was never any doubt that Clarke would be a worthy test player; the problem was displacing one of the incumbent players, of which all had performed recently at some time or other.

So when the opportunity arose through injury, Clarke demanded the spot. He had already earned it. He had shown the goods by sticking it to India before, he had shown the goods by coming over to India just last season and giving them a flaying and showing a precocious approach to the game.

What, if any of that, can be said of Hauritz?

Choosing my arguments my Western Australian @r$e, Kyle.

 

[Eclipse]

Would be interesting if Warne retires soon then...

yeah.. It's fair to say we have no good replacements. I dont really rate MacGill.

I think we have a few young spinners who could be good but who knows..

 

[mavric41]

From most people's expressed opinions, there was never any doubt that Clarke would be a worthy test player; the problem was displacing one of the incumbent players, of which all had performed recently at some time or other.

So when the opportunity arose through injury, Clarke demanded the spot. He had already earned it. He had shown the goods by sticking it to India before, he had shown the goods by coming over to India just last season and giving them a flaying and showing a precocious approach to the game.

What, if any of that, can be said of Hauritz?

Choosing my arguments my Western Australian @r$e, Kyle.

The only place that Clarke showed any form was in the ODIs - same as Hauritz.

How you can say that Clarke DEMANDED a spot is beyond me - when so many other batsmen have scored many more runs over a longer period.
If any one DEMANDED a spot - it was Shane Watson. But then again he isn't from NSW.

 

[marc71178]

So when the opportunity arose through injury, Clarke demanded the spot. He had already earned it.

How?

He had shown the goods by sticking it to India before, he had shown the goods by coming over to India just last season and giving them a flaying and showing a precocious approach to the game.

In One Day Cricket.

 

[age_master]

But then again he isn't from NSW.

and Allan Border, probably the key arguer behind his selection, you still count and a new south welshman.... get over it...

 

[Mr Casson]

The only place that Clarke showed any form was in the ODIs - same as Hauritz.

How you can say that Clarke DEMANDED a spot is beyond me - when so many other batsmen have scored many more runs over a longer period.
If any one DEMANDED a spot - it was Shane Watson. But then again he isn't from NSW.

Well if ODIs count for nothing, I don't know how someone is supposed to earn a Test spot when they haven't played a Test. First Class? Well what about the hundred in Tasmania? Either way, he smacked of class against India.

And for God's sake, I think everyone has had enough of this Queensland/NSW tripe. Why doesn't Queensland do the rest of Australia a favour and secede? Then the entire Queensland team could be international players without this discrimination that keeps all your players out of the Australian team. And hey, if we're to believe the blinkered Queenslanders, it wouldn't be a problem because they're all Test class anyway.

At least NSW isn't so vocal about this interstate rivalry that they cry foul every time a Queenslander makes the team. But don't call me a NSW sympathizer; I hate them too.

There are FOUR other states apart from NSW and QLD, and they've all had worthy players left out at some point or another. It's not discrimination.

So give us a rest, please, before my ears start bleeding.

 

[Mr Casson]

How?




In One Day Cricket.

Answered your own question.

 

[mavric41]

Well if ODIs count for nothing, I don't know how someone is supposed to earn a Test spot when they haven't played a Test. First Class? Well what about the hundred in Tasmania? Either way, he smacked of class against India.

And for God's sake, I think everyone has had enough of this Queensland/NSW tripe. Why doesn't Queensland do the rest of Australia a favour and secede? Then the entire Queensland team could be international players without this discrimination that keeps all your players out of the Australian team. And hey, if we're to believe the blinkered Queenslanders, it wouldn't be a problem because they're all Test class anyway.

At least NSW isn't so vocal about this interstate rivalry that they cry foul every time a Queenslander makes the team. But don't call me a NSW sympathizer; I hate them too.

There are FOUR other states apart from NSW and QLD, and they've all had worthy players left out at some point or another. It's not discrimination.

So give us a rest, please, before my ears start bleeding.

Its not a NSW/Queensland thing, its a NSW/Rest of Australia thing. Don't you think that Hussey and North should have got more recognition?

 

[mavric41]

Sachin very lucky - should have been lbw to McGrath not playing a shot.

 

[SJS]

They shouldn't just yet, he has some awesome talent.

Dont know if he has awesome talent but you are dead right. Once they give someone a chance, they must persevere. In fact, this is what they have done wrong with everyone. Let them be very sure of the person before they bring him in but once in, a one test failure is no consideration whatsoever.