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***Official*** Australia in India 2017
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
God, the lies and excuses are beautiful. SOK got that ball to straighten and there was no ****ing way it was hitting the pads that were to the leg side of the ball without hitting the inside edge first. The side on was just CA's way to stir **** up as anyone who has ever played cricket can see the ball is not going to deviate another way after having deviated one way unless it strikes an object. Pujara holds the bat almost horizontally and it looks bad from side on but its obvious he inside edged it on to the pads. But, the best part of doing well against Australia in cricket has always been such whining posts from some of the CWers, the Aussie media and the rest of the salty Aussie cricket community. Absolutely wonderful!!!
And Compton, impact was umpire's call on the Jaddu one. I have seen such decisions being given but its take it or leave it, Nothing unlucky there for either side.
Plus, its not the umpire's fault Steve Smith sucks with the DRS.
Burgey
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HB, give over. You of all people have given nothing but backhanded compliments and sought to negatively contextualise every Australian performance in the series or provide excuses for India. You've certainly been consistent in doing it. "We dropped Smith", "Our referrals sucked" "It's flat" "we were complacent". You've been awful with it.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Guy is considered automatic selection in pretty much any World XI selected on CW. Ashwin is ranked number 1 because of the big home season he had. Warner won't get 13 test matches in 1 home season otherwise he would have been number 1 ranked batsman too.
honestbharani
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Lol.. read everything I posted again. I have not been as negative as you have been and any such post you can dig out will probably be a response to a similar post which you never jump on. And yes, I did not rate Smith's knock in Pune that much and I do not rate his effort in the first dig that highly either. And I think I have good reason to simply because of how docile the pitch was. Moeen Ali got a 100 on such tracks against basically the same attack. Come on. I am the one who said how well Oz were batting in Pune before everyone else and I talked about how their plan to counter spin was so well thought out and executed. I even referred to how difficult it is for any player to basically have to put up with being beaten so much and not let that get to their head and bat normally again and keep punishing the balls in their zones. Your selective memory is not my problem, Burgey.
And where in the hell did I Provide excuses for India? I simply said while they didn't get much luck in Pune, the way they played, they deserved none. It was just that 2nd day in Bangalore was a huge effort from everyone and everyone was doing great and still the luck was with Australia which I thought will break the spirit of the Indian side and I pointed it out. I also pointed out that I would rate Pune as a better pitch than Bangalore and neither as a bad pitch. Its pitches like this one that cause issues coz unless the side batting second goes big or the side batting first does what England did at Mohali, the toss basically gives an unfair advantage.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Awww. Daemon. I love how you keep predicting posters responses on CW. You are so pre-scient. Its one thing to be predicting cricket but predicting what other people will predict/post about cricket.. Must be an extremely full life you got going on out there..
And centurymaker has forever hated Ashwin for whatever reason. But there is no point in arguing as it seems to be very obvious irrational hatred for one of the best players in the world. I will say this though. On flat tracks this season Ash has bowled much better than he ever has. He was the best spinner IMO at Rajkot, bowled miles better than what his figures showed in Chennai, reversing roles with Jaddu, bowled well in Hyderabad, Pune and Bangalore without much luck till the 4th innings at Bangalore. But here in the first dig, it was back to the bad old habits from him. Where he had gotten so much better was he tightened up as a bowler in flat tracks. In the past, we have seen him try too many things and keep going for wickets and end up giving away lot of runs, esp. freebies off full deliveries and short deliveries to the batsmen. He did that to an extent at Rajkot in the first innings but given it was the first innings of a 5 test series, it was a bit understandable. Here, with the series and the trophy on the line, he should have been much tighter and not looked for wickets so much when it was obvious there was nothing in the track to aid him and he was bowling to two excellent players of spin bowling. The best way to get them out would have been to choke the runs and play on their patience. He instead kept going full or short, a bit like MacGill and in return, India were not able to create as much pressure as they could have. He has been extremely disappointing and I hope he does better in the second innings.
It was one area where Smith has shown amazing game sense and fitness apart from excellent ability as a batsman. He keeps finding ways to get singles and was extremely patient in this knock when it would have been so easy to get carried away being the best batsman in the world and having the game to attack any spinner and hit them out of the bowling line up, he didn't try anything fancy and kept playing shots that gave him the best chance of continuing to bat. I remember Lara playing like this in Sri Lanka in that landmark series in 2001 and I think some of the senior Windies players remarked at how he was cutting down all the flash and ensuring he was just scoring runs. When players of this ability decide to do that, its almost impossible to get them out on such tracks. Virat did that in 2 of his 3 double hundreds as well. But I still think we could have bowled better at Maxwell. As well as he played, he has more holes in his game than The Chump and we should have exploited that.
Nate
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OverratedSanity
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Obviously the next partnership (ie) Renshaw-Smith is the big one. They need to get through that first session unscathed.
Motorwada
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Ashwin isn't as bad away as Warner. Ashwin avgs 33 away as a spinner which is equal to the career average of Qadir, Lyon, Harbhajan, Mushtaq etc - good but not great spinners. Warner averages 37 away which is pretty bad for a frontline batsman. How many batsmen with a career average of 37 are even considered good let alone great?
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Spark
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There are a number of very good batsmen who averaged high 30s away in recent years alone.
indiaholic
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Warner isn't any good in these conditions but you could see.in the last two tests that he had put in work to try and play a different game. Think he deserves some credit for that.
indiaholic
International Captain
The two thirty something scores did show some willingness to apply himself. Some credit to the guy for trying out an approach that is alien to him.
Burgey
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Look, I understand you're trying to be benevolent towards him here, but that's called "batsmanship". You know, adjusting and trying to find a way. The good batsmen do it, the others just go back to their own way of doing things regardless and go nowhere, like Warner has.
Motorwada
Banned
I am talking of away overages in context of overall averages.
If we just consider averages and not include stuff like longevity etc it can be interpreted as Ashwin as an overseas spinner is equivalent to spinners like Qadir, Lyon, Harbhajan, Mushtaq overall who are good but not great spinners and will prolly make it into the top 20 spinners of all time. Warner as an overseas batsman is equivalent to someone averaging 37 over a career. No one averaging 37 will make it into the top 20 batsman of all time. Even if you just categorize into openers no opener with an average of 37 will make it into the top 20 openers of all time.
This logic of comparing overseas averages with career averages is just to give an idea of their overseas performance.
indiaholic
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What I am saying is that he could have looked at conditions that were genuinely difficult and went back to trying to smash every ball out of the ground. I remember praising Smith for getting everyone to buy into his idea of how the game should be played in India. Warner is part of that group.. But yeah trying isn't good enough. But you can blame his skills not his intent.
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Edit: @motorwada
Nah, Ashwin has to do something , anything, in places like SA, Australia and England. Just as you want to see batsmen and fast bowlers do well in difficult conditions, you want spinners to offer up something in unresponsive, alien conditions for them too. So if he came here for example and took 5 for <150 in a match which mattered, or succeeded in contributing to a win by even tying up an end while others got poles, then good on him. But really, my grandmother is more threatening than him on our pitches, and she's been dead three years.
Likewise Warner. So if Australia loses this match and say the next game they're like 300-400 behind on the first dig and he slogs his way to 100, it's ****ing meaningless, because the series will effectively be lost at that point and he did squat while it was on the line.
Nah, Ashwin has to do something , anything, in places like SA, Australia and England. Just as you want to see batsmen and fast bowlers do well in difficult conditions, you want spinners to offer up something in unresponsive, alien conditions for them too. So if he came here for example and took 5 for <150 in a match which mattered, or succeeded in contributing to a win by even tying up an end while others got poles, then good on him. But really, my grandmother is more threatening than him on our pitches, and she's been dead three years.
Likewise Warner. So if Australia loses this match and say the next game they're like 300-400 behind on the first dig and he slogs his way to 100, it's ****ing meaningless, because the series will effectively be lost at that point and he did squat while it was on the line.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Come on man, I know Burgey s old but he ain't that old..the
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Coz u r dng what u love to do.. posting abt cricket..
Motorwada
Banned
No because Ashwin has still done well in WI, SL, Bang which although spin friendly are still overseas. So in the "sphere" of countries that favour him he has done well everywhere but in the other "sphere" he has not done well. So he is someone like Sehwag/Jayawardene etc.
Warner would be the equivalent if he had done well in NZ/Eng also but he hasn't along with his failures in SC/WI. So he has not done well in his "sphere" along with the other "sphere". Someone like Hayden was also not that good in SA/NZ/Eng but he compensated with good records in the SC/WI.