*Official* Australia in decline thread

[Retox]

Technically a very good batsman. And when he gets some rhythm as a bowler and realises that it's not all about trying his ass off, he'll be very good at that too. Also, have you noticed his arm? He has a bullet throw and is deadly accurate from the outfield. Right on top of the bails every time.

I just don't see him as a good batsman and his bowling is sub par (He is good but nothing special)

 

[Mr Casson]

I just don't see him as a good batsman and his bowling is sub par (He is good but nothing special)

His bowling has been improving at domestic level with experience and I've seen him take some of Australia's best bowlers to the cleaners. You can't argue he's ever been given a fair chance to show his talent at international level, as he rarely bats higher than seven and isn't even one of the first three bowlers to come on.

 

[Retox]

His bowling has been improving at domestic level with experience and I've seen him take some of Australia's best bowlers to the cleaners. You can't argue he's ever been given a fair chance to show his talent at international level, as he rarely bats higher than seven and isn't even one of the first three bowlers to come on.

FC means nothing in terms of International Cricket. Think of all the players who have done so so so so well in FC and then failed in the International Game.

 

[Mr Casson]

FC means nothing in terms of International Cricket. Think of all the players who have done so so so so well in FC and then failed in the International Game.

I'm saying that he's done well in FC cricket against some of Australia's international stars.

 

[Retox]

I'm saying that he's done well in FC cricket against some of Australia's international stars.

Sinclair for example great player in FC cricket but as soon as he steps up to International he fails. (Granted thats not saying much)

Watson is good don't get me wrong but I feel he is over-hyped. He is good but no where near as good as you guys say IMO that is. I see where you are coming from though.

 

[Mr Casson]

Sinclair for example great player in FC cricket but as soon as he steps up to International he fails. (Granted thats not saying much)

Watson is good don't get me wrong but I feel he is over-hyped. He is good but no where near as good as you guys say IMO that is. I see where you are coming from though.

I'm happy to wait a few years to let Watson prove us right (and evidently, you wrong ).

 

[Retox]

I'm happy to wait a few years to let Watson prove us right (and evidently, you wrong ).

I hope he does. He has talent and will be good allrounder not a great allrounder but good none the less.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

What does everyone see in Watson? From what I have seen from him he seems over-rated. Everyone is talking him up.If he is the the future for Australia

People think Watson is over-rated because they don't appreciate the fact that he is a batting all-rounder who has been misused as a bowling all-rounder in the ODI side, and given that he is not a slogger he's not all that well suited to batting low in the OD game anyway. Watson is best suited as a top order batsman who will be a 5th bowler early in his career and probably develop into a specialist batsman later on as he loses his pace (which is quite formidable now, he's about even with Gillespie in that regard) - like Kallis. He's also a quality fielder and a mecurial player who can in a match-winning performance on his day.

I'd say that even without his bowling ability he would be a likely international prospect, his bowling simply strengthens the case. Obviously he is unproven at international level as yet, but he hasn't had a decent opportunity either, he's played one test where he came in with the game already decided, and he's not had a decent shot at batting in an ODI game yet.

 

[aussie]

aussie

I think u guys seem to be forgetting the fact that most of the other teams will more of their players still going around after the 2007 WC, then Australia. If u look at Pakistan, India and England for example majority of their team will still be at their best after the WC. Their no doubt that all team will lose players but many of the teams outside Australia will have their core team after the next WC. Even Sri Lanka are only going to lose Jayasuriya, Attapattu, Vaas and Murali after the next WC, but the players they have to replace them are better then current young guys in Australia. Maharoof, Malinga and Suraj are better then any of the young Australian bowlers like Tait, White or Cleary.

yeah mate how could you come to the conclusion that those three sri lanka's are better than tait, white, cleary/bird/johnson

 

[aussie]

aussie

Well living in Australia and seeing most of the Australian players 1st hand i don't think that the guys that are around Micheal Clarke's age are anything special, apart from maybe Watson.
-White will probably be a good ODI player but i don't know about Test.
-Tait got potential but isn't much better then some young guys coming through the other teams, who probably we regulars in their nation team by the time he gets a go.


I doubt guys like Hussey, Hodge, Love and others will be still in their prime by the time that this current batting line up retires. If u just look at those three they will be 33 (Hodge), 32 (Hussey) and 33 (Love) by 2007, not really in their prime.If ur talking about guys like Cosgrove, North, Jaques and others then they maybe in their prime but unlike other players from other countries of the same age they will have next to no International exprience. Most of the current 20 yo from other countires would proably be regulars in their national teams by the time they will be making their debuts, so even though they might be better now, by that time the others will be better.


Well unless Hussey or Hodge get a run right now in the Australian team now they wont be in the picture by the time that Martyn, Hayden, Langer and others retire. They is no one at Watson level, but their are guys at North, Cosgrove, Ferguson, Jaques, Hopes and other level. Mubrak, Kandamby, Daniel, Vithana, Tharanga, Vandort and Paranavitana are all at their level.

Well Murali shoulder f**ked and he would proably retire from at least ODI by then and i can't see him playing Test Cricket after 2010.


Tait is a good bowler but these two are better IMO, Malinga is faster and swings the ball more consitently, there acurracy is about the same, both have improved that aspect of their game allot over the last 12 months. Maharoof is allot more accurate and is gueniue swing bowler. the only aspect that Tait is better then him is pace, but Maharoof swing and accuracy makes him a better bowler.


I was comparing Suraj more to the spin bowlers in Australia, not really to Tait. From the way Suraj bowled from Sri Lanka A in England his recent preformaces in the Provinical Tournment. He is far better bowler then White, Harutiz, Doherty, Cullen, Casson and others

dont agree tait is much quicker than malinga and i'm quite sure he could make sri lanka's team at this stage. I dont know about suraj been better than all those young aussie spinners especially White and doherty i saw suraj bowl in a game againts west indies in shenley when wi made over 500 he didn't impress me while guys like white has really developed and doherty has been a star throught youth cricket

 

[aussie]

aussie

gilly- ronchi
mcgrath-no1, bracken is probably the best prospect...tait is over-rated imo
warne- absolutely NOTHING in terms of quality spinners. Cam White and Hauritz are both garbage spinners, who are about as good as mark waugh was.. The young West Aussie spinner looks to be the best prospect, but bein west aus, he gets less coverage cant remember his name but he's the one that kept brad hogg out of a WA game earlier this year...seems a very very good bowler

there's an abundance of batsman i'm not gonna even bother naming them, besides punter, clarke etc. have alot of time to come

how could you say white is a garbage spinner u really haven't seen him bowl and if he was truly garbage the aussie selectors surely would'nt have picked him on two tours last year.

 

[aussie]

aussie

Well i don't think it is a certaintly that ronchi will replace gilly, there are many other good keepers around Australia who are as good as him. Just to name a few Haddin, Hartley, Manou, Croswhite and Dawson will all give Ronchi a run for his money, but it doesn't matter who replaces him none of them will be as good as him. He will leave a big hole in the Australian team.

dont agree when healy was out of form some said australia wouldn't get any to replace him and they even thought that gilchrsit agressive nature wouldn't suite test cricket. So u cant make that judgement.

 

[aussie]

aussie

I can see the selectors bringing young players on tours for the experiance. I'd say Tait will go to England on the Ashes tour party to learn. If he can put another injury free season together next year, Mitchell Johnson will start getting the same treatment. Actually I think Tait and Johnson opening the bowling together is a pretty exciting prospect.

Yeah mate quite down the line tait and mitchell being aussie new ball bowlers looks pretty exciting for real

 

[aussie]

aussie

What does everyone see in Watson? From what I have seen from him he seems over-rated. Everyone is talking him up.If he is the the future for Australia

he has big potential, same things people said about flintoof now look where he is, just give watson more time, more exposure to internationl cricket he will be a top class all-rounder

 

[marc71178]

yeah mate how could you come to the conclusion that those three sri lanka's are better than tait, white, cleary/bird/johnson

Nobody can realistically tell either way.

 

[aussie]

aussie

thats true marc but that bloke seems to be quite firm in his beliefs

 

[Tom Halsey]

Seeing as they're not dominating at the moment, then I guess it did

Lol.

 

[aussie]

aussie

hey i'm going into to fantasy world now. The 2011 World Cup should be held in australia & New zealand. By then i think micheal clarke might be the aussie skipper and the same that happened to steve waugh will happen to ponting. Here is what i think an aussie XI will be:

note: all ages are during that time

1. Luke Ronchi - Wicket-Keeper Age: 29
2. Phil Jaques
3. Michael Clarke - Skipper
4. David Huseey
5. Marcus North
6. Dominic Thorneley or Mark Cosgrove
7. Shane Watson
8. Cameron White
9. Brett Lee
10. Shaun Tait
11. Mitchell Johnson or (Aaron Bird, Paul Rofe, Mark Cleary, Nathan Bracken)

 

[Top_Cat]

All I'll say is that the demise of Aussie cricket has been predicted for quite a few years now and it's not happened (in fact the gap between Australia and the rest has widened). Why? The Aussie cricket system won't let it happen. No-one can realistically predict where cricket will go but with the system as it stands, the decline isn't likely to happen anytime soon, certainly not before the 2007 WC.

I know everyone's saying that the new crop coming through are rubbish but 2007 is two years away. The current U/19s will be up for selection by then and who's to say there aren't some good players there? And on top of that, who's to say that the current crop won't produce a few superstars in that time?

 

[Neil Pickup]

All I'll say is that the demise of Aussie cricket has been predicted for quite a few years now and it's not happened (in fact the gap between Australia and the rest has widened). Why? The Aussie cricket system won't let it happen. No-one can realistically predict where cricket will go but with the system as it stands, the decline isn't likely to happen anytime soon, certainly not before the 2007 WC.

I know everyone's saying that the new crop coming through are rubbish but 2007 is two years away. The current U/19s will be up for selection by then and who's to say there aren't some good players there? And on top of that, who's to say that the current crop won't produce a few superstars in that time?

Well, the U19s did lose to Bangladesh and Zimbabwe...