*Official* Australia in decline thread

[Sanz]

Well NZ were missing Crowe, Hadlee, ...

 

[FRAZ]

you know what , What I said is understood by I guess Who ever has a brain . Pakistan freshly lost Saeed Anwar Waqar and Wasim and Rashid at the same time and the guy were young but still performed well . And another thing I hate the Crack heads , Who try to find a space to diss others . And this rolling smilly dumb thing looks extremely pathetic .

 

[FRAZ]

I guess tis ICC champions trophy can show us the answer for this thread .
Note: (Being ediotic is not a good way to start or involve in any conversation, Ok I admitt may be i am not right all the times , but still there is a certain way of behaving and to show the basic family training . I am wrong then tell me that what's wrong , These Mongolian cricket fans are specialists in picking up a person and doing different pathetic things including leg pulling . Enjoy reading and writing the posts rather than putting stupid smilies like a dumb A$$ clown kid )

 

[marc71178]

I guess tis ICC champions trophy can show us the answer for this thread .

Not really - 1 defeat = out.

 

[FRAZ]

all the world cups had a game called final . One defeat and out .. What about that .

 

[FRAZ]

Not really - 1 defeat = out.

Marc seriously why you just inflammed the thing that was said before in this thread . I feel sorry man . I thought its not necessary to explain what I said ,Unexpectedly losing 2- players from one side never helps the cause , take an example of Last Indo Aus series. Australia did'nt have 2 - 3 experienced players and see what happened .

 

[marc71178]

all the world cups had a game called final . One defeat and out .. What about that .

But to get to the final a side had to win several - thus it gives us more idea of how close the rest are to Australia.

The CT is literally win or bust - so one defeat for Aus wouldn't tell us anything really.

 

[Sanz]

I guess tis ICC champions trophy can show us the answer for this thread .
Note: (Being ediotic is not a good way to start or involve in any conversation, Ok I admitt may be i am not right all the times , but still there is a certain way of behaving and to show the basic family training . I am wrong then tell me that what's wrong , These Mongolian cricket fans are specialists in picking up a person and doing different pathetic things including leg pulling . Enjoy reading and writing the posts rather than putting stupid smilies like a dumb A$$ clown kid )

Fraz, I would appreciate if you do not resort to personal attacks in the future. I used the smiley for something which I found very funny.

If you felt insulted, then I can't do much about it. I certainly had no such intention.

 

[anzac]

the ICC CT won't show anything regarding AUS standing as the top nation in Test & ODI cricket..........and this has nothing to do with anything that will happen on the pitch..........

quite simply AUS have NEVER won this comp - let alone be the defending champions............as such they have attained ther current ranking without success in the comp - so what will be proved if they don't win it again???????

NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

 

[Andre]

I guess tis ICC champions trophy can show us the answer for this thread .
Note: (Being ediotic is not a good way to start or involve in any conversation, Ok I admitt may be i am not right all the times , but still there is a certain way of behaving and to show the basic family training . I am wrong then tell me that what's wrong , These Mongolian cricket fans are specialists in picking up a person and doing different pathetic things including leg pulling . Enjoy reading and writing the posts rather than putting stupid smilies like a dumb A$$ clown kid )

You've been pushing the boundaries of good taste for a while now.

Don't abuse our forum members.

 

[tooextracool]

Then to one day games...

In that time Australia played 159 ODI's..won 96 lost 60 tied 2 and 1 NR
At home W 36 L 19 T 0 NR 0
Away/neutral W 60 L 41 T 2 NR 1

South Africa played 138 ODI's..won 95 lost 39 tied 1 NR 3
At home W 45 L 16 T 0 NR 1
Away/neutral W 50 L 23 T 0 NR 3

In games between the two..Australia won 15, South Africa won 15 and one (very famous) tied game.

edge to SA here, but you have to consider the importance of the games

A mere week before the start point of this period 01/02/94, Australia had actually just beaten SA in a best of 3 finals 2-1 coming from 1-0 down

Then in 97/98, the same thing happened..Australia down 1-0 in the tournament finals, but came back to win 2-1

Then you have the Australia vs South Africa game in the Super Sixes of the World Cup in 99..bad bad loss for SA..and then the tied game in the semis that got Australia through to the final....which they won convincingly.

Now overall SA have the edge in ODI's results but Australia won when they really needed to...so I am going to have that as a tie.

For me Australia 1 South Africa 0..Australia win

(I know thats a simplistic view of things, but I think its pretty fair to say that the general feeling during that time was Australia overall were the stronger side)

I know I will get some flak from Sanz over this..but I will stand by it

SA were the better ODI side during that time.....there isnt much doubt about that. they just kept choking when they played in the finals against australia but that doesnt remove the fact that they were a better ODI team than australia overall.

 

[tooextracool]

LISTEN DUDE , Kiwis are certainly the best fielding side in the world . And thats the only reason why they are so successful in the one day format. But they are dependent upon the conditions . On the flat tracks they can't just pull off a series against any south asian side . Or can they Or have they ? For me after Aussies I think only Pakistan and South Africa are the two sides who have performed well on tours ... check the records ..

is this the current SA ODI side you are talking about? the same one that has doubts about beating b'desh?

 

[Swervy]

SA were the better ODI side during that time.....there isnt much doubt about that. they just kept choking when they played in the finals against australia but that doesnt remove the fact that they were a better ODI team than australia overall.

that is open to debate though (although you may well be right)...during that period games of Aust vs SA were 15 wins each, but Australia won when they needed to...

 

[tooextracool]

that is open to debate though (although you may well be right)...during that period games of Aust vs SA were 15 wins each, but Australia won when they needed to...

and SA were better against all the other teams.....its about the same as saying that australia arent the best test team right now since they havent beaten india.

 

[Swervy]

and SA were better against all the other teams.....its about the same as saying that australia arent the best test team right now since they havent beaten india.

i guess...one dayers are a bit different though I would say,in that there are so many meaningless games, surely winning in finals outweighs all the other games???!!!!

 

[telsor]

One point to remember with the CT is that september in England isn't a great time to play cricket.

The wickets will be dewy and strongly favor the bowlers early, so whoever wins the toss ( and bowls ) will have a significant advantage. The whole tournament could come down to a couple of coin tosses.

 

[tooextracool]

i guess...one dayers are a bit different though I would say,in that there are so many meaningless games, surely winning in finals outweighs all the other games???!!!!

they won plenty of ODI series though like the first mini world cup, but yeah they were generally chokers in the finals. but again it doesnt dismiss the fact they had a better record against all the other teams and had a better side as well.
as far as wc 99 goes, they were extremely unlucky there as well, the waugh catch IMO should have been given out, because gibbs caught it and only lost it when he tried to throw it up in the air.

 

[anzac]

One point to remember with the CT is that september in England isn't a great time to play cricket.

The wickets will be dewy and strongly favor the bowlers early, so whoever wins the toss ( and bowls ) will have a significant advantage. The whole tournament could come down to a couple of coin tosses.

makes you wonder don't it - about the thinking of the powers that be when scheduling these things.............

the ODI series in IND was also affected by early starts resulting in the pitches behaving differently in each innings.............

 

[FRAZ]

Fraz, I would appreciate if you do not resort to personal attacks in the future. I used the smiley for something which I found very funny.

If you felt insulted, then I can't do much about it. I certainly had no such intention.

Sanz , I am sorry and I hope you ll accept it . thanx

 

[FRAZ]

You've been pushing the boundaries of good taste for a while now.

Don't abuse our forum members.

Andre I am sorry bou that . But not insultish was it . Just rather pointy you can say .