Most Overrated Player?

[Neil Pickup]

My vote goes for Adam Hollioake. I don't know what great thing hehas done to make it to the Wisden Top 5. Wise not, indeed!

Nasser Hussain comes second, for the same reason, but not as much. Followed by Ashley Giles, who still has a permanent place in the team, despite his TOTAL lack of penetration.

Hollioake was one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year for 2002 because they have at least one from the County game and Hollioake was sublime in that season, especially considering his brother's death.

Steve Harmison - He tries his arse off. Can you ask for more? It's not as if anyone's calling him a world beater..
Saqlain Mushtaq - Just in a rut
Shahid Afridi - Lacks brain
Rashid Latif - Best WK/Bat in Pak
Ashley Giles - he's the best spinner in the Country.. nothing more
Ronnie Irani - not rated. Can't bowl.
Khaled Muhmud - find me someone who rates him
Merv Dillon - Has led a weak WI attack well for a long time
Jimmy Adams - Is he still playing?
Jimmy Maher - Pass
Stuart MacGill - #2 Spinner in Aus
Martin Love - What's he done wrong?
Charl Langaveldt - No good. Willoughby neither
Paul Wiseman - There's only one spinner in NZ!
Brendon Mcullam - Just needs smoothing round the edges
Dilhara Fernando - Quick and injury prone
Thilan Samaweera - Overrated on ICC, solid dull A-team guy IRL..

 

[Magrat Garlick]

trescothik hasn't performed against quality opposition! ig2g

can't believe nobody's picked this up. A double ton against South Africa and he still hasn't performed against quality opposition? They might not be the best of the world teams, but it's pretty tight between no. 2 and no. 8 in Tests atm.

Besides, I predict Trescothick to get a good tour of Sri Lanka. He certainly seems to be on good form.

As for the question, I think Michael Vaughan is over-rated. He's certainly important as a captain, and I can agree that England don't have too many good batsmen, but he's not England's best batsman (ok, he did well in the Ashes, but that's not everything).

 

[Neil Pickup]

As for the question, I think Michael Vaughan is over-rated. He's certainly important as a captain, and I can agree that England don't have too many good batsmen, but he's not England's best batsman (ok, he did well in the Ashes, but that's not everything).

So who is? How many other guys have done that in Australia lately?

 

[Tom Halsey]

can't believe nobody's picked this up. A double ton against South Africa and he still hasn't performed against quality opposition? They might not be the best of the world teams, but it's pretty tight between no. 2 and no. 8 in Tests atm.

Besides, I predict Trescothick to get a good tour of Sri Lanka. He certainly seems to be on good form.

As for the question, I think Michael Vaughan is over-rated. He's certainly important as a captain, and I can agree that England don't have too many good batsmen, but he's not England's best batsman (ok, he did well in the Ashes, but that's not everything).

Exactly right about Marcus Trescothick. He was just in bad form against Aus. It also seems to me that he does well against Asain teams, because of their spinners, and he is a very good player of spin.

Can't agree with you about Vaughan, though, he is just in bad form at the moment. You watch. He will come good again

 

[Magrat Garlick]

So who is? How many other guys have done that in Australia lately?

No one.

However, the Ashes aren't everything (for the English maybe), and I think that at the moment Mark Trescothick or even Thorpe are better than him. Maybe it's the pressure of being a captain, but he gets himself out way too early IMO.

 

[Tom Halsey]

:O :O :O

Am I reading this? Vaughan is our best batter, Trescothick 2nd, and Thorpe 3rd

 

[Magrat Garlick]

:O :O :O

Am I reading this? Vaughan is our best batter, Trescothick 2nd, and Thorpe 3rd

Should have put "at the moment" in bold. Can agree that Thorpe is behind Vaughan though, on second thoughts, but Vaughan is in poor form as you so correctly stated, therefore at the moment behind Trescothick. That could change though.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Vaughan is, and always will be, a better batter than Trescothick. I'm not dissing Tres, though, 2nd best in England

 

[marc71178]

Exactly right about Marcus Trescothick. He was just in bad form against Aus. It also seems to me that he does well against Asain teams, because of their spinners, and he is a very good player of spin.

Funny that, because when he came into the side, he was superb against Pacemen (some of his leaves were superb) - now he's considered a great player of spin.

If only he could do the 2 at the same time...

 

[Craig]

The only people who come to mind who are English and have done well in Australia are Mark Butcher (last two series) and Graham Thorpe. Although I have checked the stats so I am not sure.

Paul Adams is over-rated for me as well. He is too inconsistant.

 

[Craig]

Steve Harmison - He tries his arse off. Can you ask for more? It's not as if anyone's calling him a world beater..
Ashley Giles - he's the best spinner in the Country.. nothing more

Steve Harmison - yet to truely preform, against quality opposition.

Ashley Giles - he is the best spinner in England because Engl;and dont have any world class spinners. If you count Robert Damien Bale Croft as England's best spinner, then it is up to you.

Maybe he is the best spinner in England because he is in favour with the selectors?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ashley Giles - he is the best spinner in England because Engl;and dont have any world class spinners. If you count Robert Damien Bale Croft as England's best spinner, then it is up to you.

Here's a theory...

Giles is not over rated because..

1/ England do not rate him as a world-class spinner, they rate him as the best spinner in England.
2/ Giles is the best tried spinner in England.

Therefore he's not over rated, he's rated properly.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Paul Adams is over-rated for me as well. He is too inconsistant.

I haven't heard many going on about how great he is. Adams isn't rated.

 

[Craig]

So do I get the impression he was picked purely on his skin colour?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Don't be fooled, Adams is the best spinner in South Africa (IMO) but he's not rated highly enough on a world-wide scale to be over rated.

 

[Craig]

Nico Boje is good enough.

Adams is simply inconsistant with his line & length.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Nicky Boje is not as penetrative as Adams. As a containing spinner, he is the pick though, but then again he's an offspinner and Adams is a leggie.

 

[Craig]

Except on spinner friendly wickets.

If picked I expect Adams to get murdered.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

In that case, I hope he gets picked and I hope that your good at making predictions.

 

[Dominic]

James Anderson

England make him out to be their saviour, but he wont last. He's a better one-day bowler than in test matches. I'll never forget him bowling consecutive deliveries: one that barely hit the pitch down the off-side, and one just as bad down the leg-side that went for 4 wides! What a shocker! Matthew Hoggard is up there as well.

And I'm not just picking on the Poms.