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Most Overrated Player?
- Thread starter Andre
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Gaijin-san
Banned
Nothing. Isn't that why he's being called over-rated?
deeps
International 12th Man
77 test matches, 133 innings, 5 centuries and 34 centuries, avg of 38 for number 3 is pitiful for a number 3 batsman...Craig said:
I love watching him play,he's a glorius stroke maker and stuff...but way 2 inconsistent...he's also a good captain
only avgs 30 in ODI's...
imho, For a full time batsman,those figures are not good enough to warrant a place in a team... He can't bowl...So batting is all he's got,and that's not good enough...
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Well no..deeps is right about Fleming, he should be averaging around 45..but the general rule for most NZ batsmen is to play well below their ability.
At an average of 38, it is currently improving..a few years back he was hovering around 33-34, but maybe in the next year or so he can climb up over 40.
I read alot about how Fleming is the key in the NZ batting lineup, yeah right...how often has he played a match-winning innings? I could count them on 1 hand...the players, teams should be concentrating on are Richardson, McMillan & Astle.
At an average of 38, it is currently improving..a few years back he was hovering around 33-34, but maybe in the next year or so he can climb up over 40.
I read alot about how Fleming is the key in the NZ batting lineup, yeah right...how often has he played a match-winning innings? I could count them on 1 hand...the players, teams should be concentrating on are Richardson, McMillan & Astle.
Virender Sehwag
He's not that bad , he's got some nice shots up his sleeve & he's not afraid to utilise them.
But he's got a very poor technique , some schoolboy errors with his footwork.
No where near as good as some Indians would have you beleive.
I also consider Jaques Rudolf , Steve Harmison(
) , Saqlain Mushtaq , Shahid Afridi , Rashid Latif , Andy Caddik , Ashley Giles , Ronnie Irani , Khaled Muhmud , Merv Dillon , Jimmy Adams , Jimmy Maher , Stuart MacGill , Martin Love , Charl Langaveldt , Paul Wiseman , Brendon Mcullam (sp??) , Dilhara Fernando , Thilan Samaweera (sp again??) & many others who I couldnt be stuffed mentioning to be over rated.
He's not that bad , he's got some nice shots up his sleeve & he's not afraid to utilise them.
But he's got a very poor technique , some schoolboy errors with his footwork.
No where near as good as some Indians would have you beleive.
I also consider Jaques Rudolf , Steve Harmison(
) , Saqlain Mushtaq , Shahid Afridi , Rashid Latif , Andy Caddik , Ashley Giles , Ronnie Irani , Khaled Muhmud , Merv Dillon , Jimmy Adams , Jimmy Maher , Stuart MacGill , Martin Love , Charl Langaveldt , Paul Wiseman , Brendon Mcullam (sp??) , Dilhara Fernando , Thilan Samaweera (sp again??) & many others who I couldnt be stuffed mentioning to be over rated.Craig McMillan is an overated player in ODIs. He averages 26 with the bat, with an OK 72.11 strike rate. Commentators call him "explosive" who can "open the game apart". Gillcrest, Tenulkar, Cairns and Kluesner are explosive, not McMillan.
He plays well in test matches, and comfortably holds his place in the team. But if you look at his statistics he has scored alot of his runs against weeker sides.
I don't think Fleming is an overated player, an average of 38 for a NZ batsman is very good. He looked likely to increase the amount of runs he was scoring after the World Cup and in Sri Lanka, hopefully the Indian tour was an abberation.
He plays well in test matches, and comfortably holds his place in the team. But if you look at his statistics he has scored alot of his runs against weeker sides.
I don't think Fleming is an overated player, an average of 38 for a NZ batsman is very good. He looked likely to increase the amount of runs he was scoring after the World Cup and in Sri Lanka, hopefully the Indian tour was an abberation.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah you're right that McMillan has been poor in ODIs for NZ, but hey who hasn't?
Looking at the stats, Nathan Astle is NZ's best test batsmen despite the fact that he only averages 39.
Average v:
Australia: 40.53
England: 42.43
India: 43.27
South Africa: 34.77
Sri Lanka: 26.77
West Indies: 58.60
Zimbabwe: 47.28
His only blips are against Bangladesh where in 1 innings he scored 5 runs & against Pakistan where in 5 innings he has only scored 11 runs, so you could say that those 5 matches against Pakistan have affected his average quite severely.
Looking at the stats, Nathan Astle is NZ's best test batsmen despite the fact that he only averages 39.
Average v:
Australia: 40.53
England: 42.43
India: 43.27
South Africa: 34.77
Sri Lanka: 26.77
West Indies: 58.60
Zimbabwe: 47.28
His only blips are against Bangladesh where in 1 innings he scored 5 runs & against Pakistan where in 5 innings he has only scored 11 runs, so you could say that those 5 matches against Pakistan have affected his average quite severely.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
And here's why Mark Richardson is so invaluable to NZ...he may have only played 26 tests, but virtually against every test nation he has a very healthy average.
Average V:
Australia: 30.40
Bangladesh: 113
England: 28.66
India: 52.66
Pakistan: 54.16
South Africa: 46.40
Sri Lanka: 67
West Indies: 51.75
Zimbabwe: 48.25
Obviously the disappointments have been Australia & England, but I think he's a good enough player to fix those averages when the time comes around again.
Average V:
Australia: 30.40
Bangladesh: 113
England: 28.66
India: 52.66
Pakistan: 54.16
South Africa: 46.40
Sri Lanka: 67
West Indies: 51.75
Zimbabwe: 48.25
Obviously the disappointments have been Australia & England, but I think he's a good enough player to fix those averages when the time comes around again.
Gaijin-san
Banned
Couldn't agree more about Love and Maher. I think Dilhara Fernando is quite a good bowler though, he impressed me a lot in last seasons VB series.iamdavid said:I also consider Jaques Rudolf , Steve Harmison(
He's got a decent bouncer & a superb slower ball so in ODI's where people are going to look to come at him he will usually always pick up wickets , problem is he's not very accurate at all , he's prone to having bad spells where he just cant get it on line for the life of him , he bowls more no balls than any other bowler in the world (with the exception of Doug Bollinger) & he also seems to struggle for rythym in his run up alot , you see him abort halfway through it quite a bit.furious_ged said:
Also very injury prone.
Another thing , I always hear all these Sri Lankans saying he's one of the quickest bowlers in the world & that he's got guenuine pace , thats rubbish , he's consistently around 134-138 kph , then he bowls the occasional one at 140 , thats Andrew Bichel pace , just because there are no Sri Lankans quicker dosent mean he's quick.
Gaijin-san
Banned
Yeah he has his disadvantages (obviously) but if he's going to pick up wickets and be of use to the team then I don't consider him over-rated.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
My vote goes for Adam Hollioake. I don't know what great thing hehas done to make it to the Wisden Top 5. Wise not, indeed!
Nasser Hussain comes second, for the same reason, but not as much. Followed by Ashley Giles, who still has a permanent place in the team, despite his TOTAL lack of penetration.
Nasser Hussain comes second, for the same reason, but not as much. Followed by Ashley Giles, who still has a permanent place in the team, despite his TOTAL lack of penetration.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
140, Andrew Bichel?iamdavid said:
More like 130, or 135 max