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Michael Clarke - all hype, no performance
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Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
Hmmmm possibly, it's a toss up IMO.aussie said:
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Depends what you mean by "his generation". Personally, I rate Lara, Waugh and Tendulkar (in that order, I'd say) the best batsmen of the 90s. Dravid, Ponting and Kallis are the best of the next generation.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Gayle's technique looks a lot "worse", as such, because of what happens after he hits the ball. At the point of contact, he (and it's the same with Trescothick) tends to be is really balanced at the point of contact.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Depends when the 'new generation' cut-off is.FaaipDeOiad said:
Lara, Tendulkar and S. Waugh were definitely the 3 best in the 90s in my view, but whilst Waugh and Tendulkar (post 2003) have fallen off/retired, Lara has carried on into this new generation along with Dravid, Kallis and Ponting. He's one of the best in both generations, which makes him so unbelievably brilliant.
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
You're quite right, I just think of Tendulkar, Lara and Waugh as the batsmen that dominated the 90s, while Ponting, Kallis and Dravid achieved more quietly and came into their own after the end of the decade, so I consider them a different generation of great batsmen.
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
It's tricky this. Waugh was batting for Aus in '85, okay he was a late bloomer but I still consider him old guard. Of the newish breed for me it's ST, BCL (the game is easier for lefties) then Drunky. All subjective of course. Oh, I suppose Kallis should get a mention 
maybe Drunky 4 then I dunno, we can start going on about Thorpe et al.
maybe Drunky 4 then I dunno, we can start going on about Thorpe et al.
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FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, but Waugh's peak was 95 or so, and that was the same time Lara and Tendulkar were at their best or relatively close to it. Similarly, Ponting, David and Kallis all peaked around... well 2003-2005.Pedro Delgado said:It's tricky this. Waugh was batting for Aus in '85, okay he was a late bloomer but I still consider him old guard. Of the newish breed for me it's ST, BCL (the game is easier for lefties) then Drunky. All subjective of course. Oh, I suppose Kallis should get a mention
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah I agree Faaip. Waugh isn't remembered for what he did in the 80s, its when he came into his own in the 90s alongside Sachin and Lara (Which makes MRF having all 3 of those signed up to use their bats amazing and what made me go out and buy one 
).
I mean, when we think of the best batsmen of the 80s I don't think S. Waugh is brought up all too often.
).I mean, when we think of the best batsmen of the 80s I don't think S. Waugh is brought up all too often.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Seeing as he didn't make his first hundred till '89, rightly so.Jono said:
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't hate Clarke, I just hate the way people go on about how he's the next Bradman, he has some technical flaws. So he can't be critisised? Why do we always have to say this that and the other, but he's young?Top_Cat said:
Let's look at the facts. The guy gets into the test side with a first class average of barely 40, why? Because he plays a couple of good innings and he's from N.S.W. (You can debate my hatred for N.S.W. all you like but it's a fact that players from N.S.W. have got a helping hand from the media for decades now).
We go and critisise Hayden for not scoring a centrury in a calendar year, now Clarke is in that situation but doesn't face the same scrutiny why?
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Top_Cat said:
The reason why the comparison between Clarke and Ponting was brought up was because pelple on here have been saying that there is nothing wrong with his technique, which there is. You just happened to bring up Ponting, so I did a comparison, the comparison of Clarke had nothing to do with your post.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
1. Age should have nothing to do with it. A Batsman is a batsman and needs to perform whether they are 23 or 33.Eclipse said:
2. Neither does Clarke unless you're at some grade cricket ground on a Saturday.
Son Of Coco
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I won't debate your hatred of N.S.W, I just don't put too much credence on the idea that 'the media picks the team'. QLD media sources are just as one-eyed in their support of everything maroon, yet apparently this has no effect...why?Mister Wright said:
You never miss a chance to push for a QLD entry to the team though, and that has to be admired I suppose...
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Eclipse said:
Well, that's just ridiculous. Fair enough Hayden didn't reach his potential in ODI cricket, but he still did average over 40 which is very good for a one day opener. He was far from slow, and he didn't need to go at a rocketing pace, because Gilchrist was at the other end. He dominated the Mur****ile Mutual Cup for well over 3 seasons, scoring centuries at will, and in quick time also.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hmm..let's see...Brett Lee is selected for Australia after a handful of games based on what...pace! If he was from any other state he wouldn't have had a look in. Same with Michael Clarke. Name one player, young or not that has been selected with an average under 40 in the last decade.Son Of Coco said: