Greatest Bowler of All Time

[Langeveldt]

Heart says - Allan Donald
Head says - Shane Warne

 

[steds]

I voted Bill O'Reilly because...well...errm...for no particular reason

 

[Fiery]

No, to dismiss scientific evidence as part of some wild conspiracy is ignorance.

You don't need science to see that Murali is a chucker. All you need is a pair of eyes. The "scientific evidence" is just a few geeks with protractors employed by the ICC told to "be a bit leniant on Murali, eh?". Initially they tried to say it was a birth defect, now they change the whole rules of the game for him just so the Asian TV companies keep shovelling cash at them and to stop the cries of "rascist" from Asian administrators and supporters.
A disgrace for the game IMO

 

[Top_Cat]

You don't need science to see the Murali is a chucker. All you need is a pair of eyes.

Really..............

Okay here's a basic physics test for your eyes. Which shot will result in a ball leaving a bat at a faster rate after impact; a batsman holding the bat with a loose grip or holding the grip really tightly?

 

[Fiery]

Really..............

Okay here's a basic physics test for your eyes. Which shot will result in a ball leaving a bat at a faster rate after impact; a batsman holding the bat with a loose grip or holding the grip really tightly?

I suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.

 

[dinu23]

I mean that Muttiah Muralitharan throws the ball rather than bowling it with a straight arm as is or was the law in cricket before the fishheads showed how spineless they are and changed the rule to sweep the problem under the carpet.

so by saying that murali throws, ur also agreeing that 99% other bowlers also thow, according to the findings of the ICC, right?

 

[Fiery]

so by saying that murali throws, ur also agreeing that 99% other bowlers also thow, according to the findings of the ICC, right?

No, just him.

Maybe Akhtar and Malik but not quite as blatantly obvious. Brett Lee's a bit suspect, as is Kyle Mills and there are a few others around but they are marginal so was happy for umpires and officials to turn a blind eye.

 

[dinu23]

I suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.

Say what u want man. u have the right to say ur opinion.

but in the end ur opinion doesn't matter! the ICC have changed the rules. people that matters know the truth. every bowler can straighten there arm by 15 degrees. the truth finally wins.

 

[Fiery]

Say what u want man. u have the right to say ur opinion.

but in the end ur opinion doesn't matter! the ICC have changed the rules. people that matters know the truth. every bowler can straighten there arm by 15 degrees. the truth finally wins.

What's this truth you speak of?

 

[Top_Cat]

suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.

Yeah exactly. Why answer a direct question you don't understand when you can just side-step it entirely.

 

[Fiery]

Yeah exactly. Why answer a direct question you don't understand when you can just side-step it entirely.

I understood the question clearly. Just didn't deem it worthy of an answer.

 

[SJS]

Really..............

Okay here's a basic physics test for your eyes. Which shot will result in a ball leaving a bat at a faster rate after impact; a batsman holding the bat with a loose grip or holding the grip really tightly?

The latter, in most cases, the former... never. What next ?

I need to educate myself on this and also test my ageing vision

 

[Top_Cat]

The latter, in most cases, the former... never. What next ?

Nope. It's a trick question. Grip strength doesn't affect the speed which the ball leaves the bat after impact. At impact, the surface of the bat 'ripples' ever so slightly with the force of that ripple propagating up the bat to the splice and then back down again. However, the 'force ripple' moves too slowly to actually affect the ball because the ball has already bounced off the bat before it goes back to the toe of the bat. Hence, the momentum from the 'ripple' doesn't get transferred back to the ball and it comes off the bat at the same speed no matter how hard you grip the bat.

Bear in mind, I'm talking about the ball hitting a perfectly stationary bat, NOT in the midst of playing a shot. That introduces an outside force into the equation (i.e. the swing momentum of the batsman swinging the bat). If you have two bats suspended in mid-air, one held by a string and one held in place by a steel rod, you'll find that the speed the ball comes off will be largely the same.

The point is, things in cricket aren't as obvious as they seem and are sometimes counter-intuitive in the same way that Ahktar/Lee/Murali seem like they're throwing at full speed but in slow-mo, the real story comes out and paints a very different picture. Even under the old rule regime, Murali's deliveries (other than the doosera) were shown within an acceptable margin or error to NOT be throws.

Yes I was a scientist in a previous life but I'd easily take that as a more credible explanation than the hysterical shoutings of people who claim to be able to see such things at full speed (hint, I know you can't because the movement is actually faster than the eye can keep up) any day of the week and twice on Sundays. No, "I just know" and "I can just tell" are NOT good enough. There are no good or bad opinions but there ARE credible and non-credible opinions and those who state Murali is a chucker without even looking at the evidence presented are those who fall into the 'non-credible' category.

 

[Fiery]

Nope. It's a trick question. Grip strength doesn't affect the speed which the ball leaves the bat after impact. At impact, the surface of the bat 'ripples' ever so slightly with the force of that ripple propagating up the bat to the splice and then back down again. However, the 'force ripple' moves too slowly to actually affect the ball because the ball has already bounced off the bat before it goes back to the toe of the bat. Hence, the momentum from the 'ripple' doesn't get transferred back to the ball and it comes off the bat at the same speed no matter how hard you grip the bat.

Bear in mind, I'm talking about the ball hitting a perfectly stationary bat, NOT in the midst of playing a shot. That introduces an outside force into the equation (i.e. the swing momentum of the batsman swinging the bat). If you have two bats suspended in mid-air, one held by a string and one held in place by a steel rod, you'll find that the speed the ball comes off will be largely the same.

The point is, things in cricket aren't as obvious as they seem and are sometimes counter-intuitive in the same way that Ahktar/Lee/Murali seem like they're throwing at full speed but in slow-mo, the real story comes out and paints a very different picture. Even under the old rule regime, Murali's deliveries (other than the doosera) were shown within an acceptable margin or error to NOT be throws.

Yes I was a scientist in a previous life but I'd easily take that as a more credible explanation than the hysterical shoutings of people who claim to be able to see such things at full speed (hint, I know you can't because the movement is actually faster than the eye can keep up) any day of the week and twice on Sundays. No, "I just know" and "I can just tell" are NOT good enough. There are no good or bad opinions but there ARE credible and non-credible opinions and those who state Murali is a chucker without even looking at the evidence presented are those who fall into the 'non-credible' category.

A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.

 

[Deja moo]

A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.

I know! I mean its also so bleedin obvious that the sun revolves around the earth .

 

[dinu23]

A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.

So when science had found out that 99% of bowlers bend their arm when bowling, where the naked eye couldnt detect it, ur still saying that the naked eye is better than the scietific evidence?

ur living in the stone age man!

 

[dinu23]

What's this truth you speak of?

the truth is 99% chuck under the old chucking rules and the laws need to change.

 

[Dasa]

A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.

The earth is flat.

 

[deeps]

waqar maitla younis

 

[Fiery]

So when science had found out that 99% of bowlers bend their arm when bowling, where the naked eye couldnt detect it, ur still saying that the naked eye is better than the scietific evidence?

ur living in the stone age man!

I use my eyes to make judgements and form opinions sometimes, funnily enough. I don't need a machine to tell me whether someone throws a ball instead of bowls it, I can see it for myself in Murali's case in particular. His action sticks out from the rest like dog's balls. I know you are defending your player because he is a fellow Sri Lankan and can relate to your parochialism but why don't you take off the eye-patch and watch him bowl with both eyes without bias. As for living in the stone-age, I am a software developer living in one of the youngest and most modern countries in the world. You're the one living in the Third World man.