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You don't need science to see that Murali is a chucker. All you need is a pair of eyes. The "scientific evidence" is just a few geeks with protractors employed by the ICC told to "be a bit leniant on Murali, eh?". Initially they tried to say it was a birth defect, now they change the whole rules of the game for him just so the Asian TV companies keep shovelling cash at them and to stop the cries of "rascist" from Asian administrators and supporters.Dasa said:No, to dismiss scientific evidence as part of some wild conspiracy is ignorance.
Really..............You don't need science to see the Murali is a chucker. All you need is a pair of eyes.
I suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.Top_Cat said:Really..............
Okay here's a basic physics test for your eyes. Which shot will result in a ball leaving a bat at a faster rate after impact; a batsman holding the bat with a loose grip or holding the grip really tightly?
so by saying that murali throws, ur also agreeing that 99% other bowlers also thow, according to the findings of the ICC, right?Fiery said:I mean that Muttiah Muralitharan throws the ball rather than bowling it with a straight arm as is or was the law in cricket before the fishheads showed how spineless they are and changed the rule to sweep the problem under the carpet.
No, just him.dinu23 said:so by saying that murali throws, ur also agreeing that 99% other bowlers also thow, according to the findings of the ICC, right?
Say what u want man. u have the right to say ur opinion.Fiery said:I suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.
What's this truth you speak of?dinu23 said:Say what u want man. u have the right to say ur opinion.
but in the end ur opinion doesn't matter! the ICC have changed the rules. people that matters know the truth. every bowler can straighten there arm by 15 degrees. the truth finally wins.
Yeah exactly. Why answer a direct question you don't understand when you can just side-step it entirely.suppose that's some clever physical paradox that you think will prove something? What has it got to do with the fact that anyone can see with the naked eye that Murali straightens his arm in a throwing action every delivery, not just the doosra? He has been cheating the day he started playing the game.
I understood the question clearly. Just didn't deem it worthy of an answer.Top_Cat said:Yeah exactly. Why answer a direct question you don't understand when you can just side-step it entirely.
The latter, in most cases, the former... never. What next ?Top_Cat said:Really..............
Okay here's a basic physics test for your eyes. Which shot will result in a ball leaving a bat at a faster rate after impact; a batsman holding the bat with a loose grip or holding the grip really tightly?
Nope. It's a trick question. Grip strength doesn't affect the speed which the ball leaves the bat after impact. At impact, the surface of the bat 'ripples' ever so slightly with the force of that ripple propagating up the bat to the splice and then back down again. However, the 'force ripple' moves too slowly to actually affect the ball because the ball has already bounced off the bat before it goes back to the toe of the bat. Hence, the momentum from the 'ripple' doesn't get transferred back to the ball and it comes off the bat at the same speed no matter how hard you grip the bat.The latter, in most cases, the former... never. What next ?
A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.Top_Cat said:Nope. It's a trick question. Grip strength doesn't affect the speed which the ball leaves the bat after impact. At impact, the surface of the bat 'ripples' ever so slightly with the force of that ripple propagating up the bat to the splice and then back down again. However, the 'force ripple' moves too slowly to actually affect the ball because the ball has already bounced off the bat before it goes back to the toe of the bat. Hence, the momentum from the 'ripple' doesn't get transferred back to the ball and it comes off the bat at the same speed no matter how hard you grip the bat.
Bear in mind, I'm talking about the ball hitting a perfectly stationary bat, NOT in the midst of playing a shot. That introduces an outside force into the equation (i.e. the swing momentum of the batsman swinging the bat). If you have two bats suspended in mid-air, one held by a string and one held in place by a steel rod, you'll find that the speed the ball comes off will be largely the same.
The point is, things in cricket aren't as obvious as they seem and are sometimes counter-intuitive in the same way that Ahktar/Lee/Murali seem like they're throwing at full speed but in slow-mo, the real story comes out and paints a very different picture. Even under the old rule regime, Murali's deliveries (other than the doosera) were shown within an acceptable margin or error to NOT be throws.
Yes I was a scientist in a previous life but I'd easily take that as a more credible explanation than the hysterical shoutings of people who claim to be able to see such things at full speed (hint, I know you can't because the movement is actually faster than the eye can keep up) any day of the week and twice on Sundays. No, "I just know" and "I can just tell" are NOT good enough. There are no good or bad opinions but there ARE credible and non-credible opinions and those who state Murali is a chucker without even looking at the evidence presented are those who fall into the 'non-credible' category.
I know! I mean its also so bleedin obvious that the sun revolves around the earth .Fiery said:A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.
So when science had found out that 99% of bowlers bend their arm when bowling, where the naked eye couldnt detect it, ur still saying that the naked eye is better than the scietific evidence?Fiery said:A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.
the truth is 99% chuck under the old chucking rules and the laws need to change.Fiery said:What's this truth you speak of?
The earth is flat.Fiery said:A load of old cobblers. Why try to confuse the issue and bring physics and science into it when all you need to do is watch him bowl. You can try and blind people with science but all you need is a Bachelor in the Bleeding Obvious to see he throws the ball.
I use my eyes to make judgements and form opinions sometimes, funnily enough. I don't need a machine to tell me whether someone throws a ball instead of bowls it, I can see it for myself in Murali's case in particular. His action sticks out from the rest like dog's balls. I know you are defending your player because he is a fellow Sri Lankan and can relate to your parochialism but why don't you take off the eye-patch and watch him bowl with both eyes without bias. As for living in the stone-age, I am a software developer living in one of the youngest and most modern countries in the world. You're the one living in the Third World man.dinu23 said:So when science had found out that 99% of bowlers bend their arm when bowling, where the naked eye couldnt detect it, ur still saying that the naked eye is better than the scietific evidence?
ur living in the stone age man!