England players and selection discussion thread

[mackembhoy]

Lawrence bats below Foakes at Surrey.

There's no way he's magically going to be an opener at test level. We saw how that worked for Roy.

Albeit not going to face an attack like the Aussies against Sri Lanka and conditions in Pakistan last time I don't think it would matter too much who opens.

 

[FBU]

In about 10 days the Lions take on Sri Lanka.

Last Lions squad went to India so less spin
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...304/england-lions-squad-1415406/series-squads iti

Think it might be Bohannon, Lees, Rew, Robinson, Mouseley, Aldridge, Coles, Lawes, Price, Fisher, Cook

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

He's not a test number 8. He bats 9 or 10 for Durham.

That Edgbaston wicket was appalling that he scored his ton on

He's a bit like Ollie Robinson in that he can score runs but definitely more suited as a 9.

Carse a better shout as an 8 but then he's banned for a while still and his bowling isn't as good as others.

Agreed, but in the mid-term I think he has as good a shout as anyone to fill the bowling all-rounder slot considering he is quick and bats better than the rest

 

[ImpatientLime]

Woakes not 'ruling out' 2025-26 Ashes as England's new senior seamer

Anderson's retirement with Australia in mind leaves Woakes' long-term role unclear

www.espncricinfo.com

Remember they just retired a person who is bowling faster and with better control.

proper megamind bullshit this. 'if it didn't work the previous two times maybe it will finally work this time'.

statistically the worst touring english seamer in the history of test match cricket*

*minimum test match criteria applies

 

[danzydab]

Australian pitches are very seamer friendly nowadays, only the green mambas SA prepares for India are better. Even Aamer Jamal got 18 wickets in 3 tests avging 20. Thats why they are considering Woakes despite his terrible away record.

The question is will he still maintain form at the age of 36 and a half?

 

[Nintendo]

Australian pitches are very seamer friendly nowadays, only the green mambas SA prepares for India are better. Even Aamer Jamal got 18 wickets in 3 tests avging 20. Thats why they are considering Woakes despite his terrible away record.

The question is will he still maintain form at the age of 36 and a half?

Pitches where just as green last time england toured and woakes was still shite.

 

[Starfighter]

Australian pitches are very seamer friendly nowadays, only the green mambas SA prepares for India are better. Even Aamer Jamal got 18 wickets in 3 tests avging 20. Thats why they are considering Woakes despite his terrible away record.

The question is will he still maintain form at the age of 36 and a half?

The pitches were seamer friendly in 2021/22 as well. certainly in Brisbane and Hobart. He averaged 55.

At Hobart he got the most friendly conditions he could have asked for on the first morning. Head hammered him and Wood to smithereens and the match was gone in half an hour.

 

[ImpatientLime]

he also averages 56 on the 'green mambas' of south africa.

stockholm syndrome.

 

[GIMH]

Mark Wood out for the rest of the year

 

[grecian]

Mark Wood out for the rest of the year

Almost like he's 34 year old and made of glass.

 

[mackembhoy]

Just further shows how stupid it was retiring Jimmy.

He's the only bowler we've got that can stay fit for any real length of time.

 

[Hungry Llama]

Almost like he's 34 year old and made of glass.

thas a bit unfair to someone whos been bowling 90+ for years.

 

[ataraxia]

Anderson - Has shown that he can be as excellent as ever, but realistically I think you'd have to be quite the optimist to think that this will be the case for anything longer than a year. I have been wrong about him before though.

Posted without comment

 

[FBU]

Just further shows how stupid it was retiring Jimmy.

He's the only bowler we've got that can stay fit for any real length of time.

I think he has injured his calf recently just bowling in the nets

 

[mackembhoy]

I think he has injured his calf recently just bowling in the nets

I'm not saying he doesn't get injured. But he doesn't miss half a season/year at a time.

I.e Wood,Archer,Tongue,Stone and Atkinson

All of the above the players we've wanted in Australia in the past and future.

It wouldn't surprise if we have zero of them by the time they come around.

Jimmy didn't need to be retired he could have just been dropped/been in squad.

 

[grecian]

I'm not saying he doesn't get injured. But he doesn't miss half a season/year at a time.

I.e Wood,Archer,Tongue,Stone and Atkinson

All of the above the players we've wanted in Australia in the past and future.

It wouldn't surprise if we have zero of them by the time they come around.

Jimmy didn't need to be retired he could have just been dropped/been in squad.

Mahmood. Overtons as well, and Atkinson has come off injuries, but hey I'm sure it'll all be fine when Potts and Cook open the bowling in the Ashes.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Mahmood. Overtons as well, and Atkinson has come off injuries, but hey I'm sure it'll all be fine when Potts and Cook open the bowling in the Ashes.

I'm not saying he doesn't get injured. But he doesn't miss half a season/year at a time.

I.e Wood,Archer,Tongue,Stone and Atkinson

All of the above the players we've wanted in Australia in the past and future.

It wouldn't surprise if we have zero of them by the time they come around.

Jimmy didn't need to be retired he could have just been dropped/been in squad.

What is it with our fastest bowlers getting injured so often? With some of them it’s a case of overworking them, but are we genuinely unlucky or are we doing something wrong in managing them?

 

[kevinw]

I think Key, Baz and Stokes might believe their own hype and think they've got the Midas touch when it comes to selections. Jimmy wasn't showing any signs of decline. Anyone can have one bad series, but he was the best seamer in India and his pace isn't dropping/fitness isn't worsening. I think they could've just rested him or used him sparingly this Summer because they wanted to look at other options. He would've been the best seamer in Pakistan too.

 

[grecian]

What is it with our fastest bowlers getting injured so often? With some of them it’s a case of overworking them, but are we genuinely unlucky or are we doing something wrong in managing them?

Genuinely think this obsession with bowling fast is the problem, they just put their bodies through so much, it's certainly not over-work, so many of them hardly play a county match.

They know if they want an England career they have to bowl express, TBH this isn't just a bazball thing it's been going on for years, many potentially great bowlers not giving a chance because they were deemed too slow.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Genuinely think this obsession with bowling fast is the problem, they just put their bodies through so much, it's certainly not over-work, so many of them hardly play a county match.

Jofra’s never been the same since bowling 42 overs that innings in New Zealand, but yeah, I agree with that, I think a lot of them are naturally at the faster end of fast-medium just trying to eke out a few extra mph to be that point of difference, perhaps Wood too wouldn’t have got injured if he weren’t always trying to break speed records