Australian all-rounder position

[age_master]

Call me crazy, call me kooky, call me wacky but I think Dawson has potential. Sure he doesn't tweak the ball much at this stage but I reckon he looked alright. Solid, rather than spectacular at this stage.

Crazy


Kooky


Wacky

:P:P:P


even if he does have potential, why the hell would you give him a start against teh Aussies where it was a forgorn conclusion that he would get hammered, even if it was the SCG.

 

[Top_Cat]

even if he does have potential, why the hell would you give him a start against teh Aussies where it was a forgorn conclusion that he would get hammered, even if it was the SCG.

For one thing, he played the Test in Adelaide too (I was there) and I thought he had Ponting in trouble a few times but didn't have the experience to go the extra metre.

Second, it probably wasn't a great idea to throw him to wolves like that but some have thrived in precisely that situation. I guess he's no off-spinning genius or anything.

 

[Gaijin-san]

Uncalled for.

Rik, Marc and myself are only part-time pedants (we live in the wrong hemisphere to be able to turn pro) - and much as I disagree with him on occasion, I will defend his right to continue being wrong.

I didn't say he couldn't be wrong. He can be wrong all the time for all I care, which more often than not he is, I was just pointing out that he is a pedant. You can't say anything right because he'll 'exercise his democratic right to speak' and get you on a superfluous technicality, which is just plain stupid.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

M.Bevan is a very good test player

Clearly. As seen with his massive Test success. :rolleyes:

 

[Gaijin-san]

I'm sure he meant first class

 

[deeps]

i obviously meant FC...do I have to s-p-e-l-l out everything precisely for some of u dimwits to understand!?!?

 

[PY]

Nice to see an Aussie with subtlety has arrived on the forum. :rolleyes:

You aren't expressing yourself in the clearest form which leads to slight crossed-wires.

M.Bevan is a very good test player,but the aussie test selectors have something against him...

That however can only be taken in one way. You were talking about Tests and Bevan hasn't had any success at Test level.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

i obviously meant FC...do I have to s-p-e-l-l out everything precisely for some of u dimwits to understand!?!?

Oh yes. I'm a dimwit because I know the difference between Test and FC cricket? :rolleyes: When you figure out the basics of the game, then you can call names, but until then, I suggest you calm down.

 

[marc71178]

one question for you, if all of these spinners are supposed to be so good, than why has one Richard Dawson played 7 tests. ive seen more than enought to know how good he is....

One question for you - how come you bag all English spinners (including those with better FC records than Katich) then say that Katich is better than most spinners around but we can't judge him till he's bowled on real turners?

That is double standards in the extreme.

 

[Rik]

I didn't say he couldn't be wrong. He can be wrong all the time for all I care, which more often than not he is, I was just pointing out that he is a pedant. You can't say anything right because he'll 'exercise his democratic right to speak' and get you on a superfluous technicality, which is just plain stupid.

Or I can say one thing that is sense to anyone with an open mind but which is wrong in your eyes. All I've seen you post is the typical rubbish we have to read about Aussie players being so great just because they are Australian. I know this is not the case because there are many posters on this board, T_C and Andre amongst them, who manage to combine being Australian and having an un-biased opinion.

Plain stupid? Yes of course, it's got to be stupid. Of course I'm so stupid that someone as intelligent as you couldn't find this "superfluous technicality" in the 1st place. I have the right to post just about anything on this board, just as you have the right to keep slagging me off. Therefor there is no point in coming on a board such as this any telling me to shut my trap, because 1st of all it's not going to happen, and 2ndly there's nothing you can do about it.

Ok I'll take your lead. What you say is stupid because I'm not stupid so you are. It all gets rather boring from here

 

[Rik]

So does exercising your democratic right to avoid clicking on the thread title.

True, but I clicked on the title of the thread so I could read the articals and instead get to learn that, because of his democratic right to speak his mind, someone thinks I'm a "Pedant."

Charming.

So to use your analagy would be rather harsh.

 

[Rik]

i obviously meant FC...do I have to s-p-e-l-l out everything precisely for some of u dimwits to understand!?!?

So obvious that you spelt it "Test" which bears no resemblence to FC or "First Class" either visually or even literally.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Someone thinks I'm a "Pendant."

Pedant, Rik...

 

[Rik]

Pedant, Rik...

A crime of ignorance

 

[deeps]

So obvious that you spelt it "Test" which bears no resemblence to FC or "First Class" either visually or even literally.

there is such a thing as First CLASS test matches! State level test matches! duH! not only are u pedant,but a total loser as well rik

 

[Rik]

there is such a thing as First CLASS test matches! State level test matches! duH! not only are u pedant,but a total loser as well rik

Oh that hurt. Seriously, I think I just felt it, a little prick of pain, oh well.

State Level Test Matches, right. I've never heard of these, all I've heard of is the Pura Cup which is the old Sheffield Shield which is Australia's national First Class competition between the States. This is a FIRST CLASS competition, comprising of 4 day matches with all returns going towards a FIRST CLASS average of a player.

Test cricket is 5 days, comprises of INTERNATIONAL teams, the returns go towards both the FIRST CLASS average and the TEST average of the player.

I will also point out you said quite simply, this:

M.Bevan is a very good test player

Where is this mention of the "Test" you speak of being a "State level test match?"

Unfortunately for you, you cannot argue that we are all idiots when you are contridicting yourself and making less sense than Navjot Sidhu on a good day!

 

[Neil Pickup]

there is such a thing as First CLASS test matches! State level test matches!

This one intrigues me...

Rik's done as good a job as possible in explaining the not-too-difficult-to-see difference between Test Cricket in First Class Cricket.

Angus "White Lightning" Fraser bounced Bevan out of Test Cricket...

 

[Rik]

This one intrigues me...

And there I was thinking a Test Match was a 5 day game of cricket played between International teams.

My bad.

 

[Top_Cat]

True, but I clicked on the title of the thread so I could read the articals and instead get to learn that, because of his democratic right to speak his mind, someone thinks I'm a "Pedant."

Charming.

So to use your analagy would be rather harsh.

Yeah but I was being slightly sarcastic, mate.

there is such a thing as First CLASS test matches! State level test matches!

Since when? Show us the ICC documentation of where FC matches couldbe called FC Tests and we'll show you a little piggie which flies.

not only are u pedant,but a total loser as well rik

Nice. We don't really go for abuse here so please tone it down.

 

[age_master]

One question for you - how come you bag all English spinners (including those with better FC records than Katich) then say that Katich is better than most spinners around but we can't judge him till he's bowled on real turners?

That is double standards in the extreme.

if these players with fantastic records in county cricket are so great why are they not playing for england??? why did dawson play... he may have some potential locked away somewhere but he was clearly not ready to take on the Australian Batting Lineup. if these other spinners are so good, why did they not tour and play?