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Australian all-rounder position
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Rik
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furious_ged said:
Ho ho ho, oh dear, you are telling me this, I'm sorry, this is too much! This, coming from the person who claims Sachin Tendulkar cannot play a stupid shot! He's only human remember...
I didn't see his spell but I did yesterday and needless to say, my opinion is the same. Before I was going on what people like Liam (Mr M) had said, people who's opinions I respect. I am entitled to say anything I wish and it would be a good idea if you remember that in future as I don't see any signs up saying I'm not "entitled to say anything about it if I have not seen it" as this is a free world. Talented bowlers can become bowling all-rounders yes, but with the little bowling Clarke has done, I'd think even Ashley Giles is more of an all-rounder than Michael Clarke is at the moment.
Oh so I made the icing on the cake did I? Well let's just run through those icing moments of yours:
1. You claim Sachin Tendulkar cannot play a poor shot thereby forgetting that he's only human
2. You think Michael Clarke is an all-rounder after ONE good bowling spell
3. You tell me I'm not entitled to talk about something. Really, honestly, who gives you the right to come on this board and immediately tell someone they don't have a clue? Unless you happen to be one of the terrace group I wouldn't know. If you don't know what the terrace group is ask anyone, because with this comment and the next one, your looking very "Terrace" to me...
4. You call me stupid. Now if you can't think of a decent ending for your post, an insult that pathetic is hardly likely to win you friends or support. I'm sorry but here we try and use tact rather than lame insults.
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PY
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There is quite frankly no need . As much as it pains me to say, Rik has a different opinion which I rarely agree with (furious_ged said:
) but its his and to call him stupid is a tad harsh, call him a stubborn fool or anything clever like that. 
To say that Lee and Gillespie are anything but tail-enders is pretty ludicrous. They get big runs it's a minor miracle and in a tight Test match you wouldn't expect them to stick around and make the last 100 runs required if that happened.
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Only because Courtney Walsh is retired.Rik said:
Richard
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Dizzy's blocking truly is a sight to behold. If the ball's not moving he can be near enough impossible to dislodge. He's not played many major match-turning innings - I'd say his most significant one was 27* at Trent Bridge while Gilchrist swung away, cutting a deficit of 70-odd to a lead of 3 or 4.Mr. Ponting said:and might i add that Jason Gillespie has the worlds best defence.
His 46 in partnership with Stephen Waugh at Eden Gardens was quite the most astonishing thing I've ever seen from someone batting at ten (I saw only highlights, the real thing must have been even more incredible).
Three years ago I watched him - he seemed to have two shots (the foot-movement-less block and the foot-movement-less leave) but boy could he play them.
He appears to have developed some attacking strokes since, too, and Matthew Hoggard appears to be attempting to take a leaf out of his early book.
This sort of thing often reveals ability a bowler never knew he had.
Gillespie will never make an all-rounder, but he's easily the best blocking tail-ender I've seen.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
I said it mainly as Giles is one of the worst examples of an all-rounder at International level I can find, yet he actually bats and bowls a lot of the time compared to Clarke who is a batsman foremost and there is a reason why he's only bowled 3 times in his International career and barely at all in domestic cricket, because he's a part-timer.marc71178 said:
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Rik, if Giles is one of the worst examples of an allrounder you can find then you shouldn't use him in comparison with someone like Clarke, who is actually a real talent.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
But not an all-rounder.furious_ged said:
An all-rounder can be a keeper who bats or someone who bats and bowls. I see no reason why Clarke should be classified as an all-rounder because that would require him to bowl. Something he hasn't done much during his career. Yes he's had some success but everything points to him still being a batsman who bowls. You think anyone really thinks Rikki Clarke will be a great all-rounder after his success with the ball in Bangladesh? Nope he will allways be a batsman who bowls unless something amazing happens to his bowling.
If you want an all-rounder look at Khaled Mahmud. Ok he's basically rubbish but every time he plays he bats and bowls which consititutes a definition of "all-rounder". Who cares that he's all-round rubbish at everything? It's the phrase we are talking about here, the lable of "all-rounder", not ability.
Clarke may have more talent than Sachin Tendulkar for all I care but he's a part-time bowler at best. Hell would you call Sehwag, Ganguly or Tendulkar all-rounders?