Australian all-rounder position

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Wow. I'm impressed at Gibbs' command of the English language. :wow:

To Deeps: Are you really that bored that you've resorted to picking on Rik?

 

[Rik]

half english...half gay...actually,that can't b right...he's full gay

Was that supposed to be an insult? Do you really think it hurts me to be called a homosexual? Give me at least one valid reason why homosexuallity is so wrong and can be used as such an insult? Have you actually grown up from the bullies on the playground at school who take out their frustrations on other people and tend to use the phrase "gay" as an insult so that everyone thinks it's such an evil and hurtful thing. The attitude towards homosexuals in general appauls me, as I have some homosexual or "gay" friends who are amazing people and their ***ual preference does not matter one jot to me, and neither should it to anyone else.

You know, there was a time when "gay" was another way of saying "happy." Read the old Noddy books and you will see "gay" being used. But over the years it's meaning has changed to describing homosexuallity and used as a hurtful slang word. What a sad world we live in.

And yet again you got it wrong, I'm not homosexual, and even if I was I'd just pity you because of your lack of open-mindedness. I'm straight, I only fancy girls, I have some very close male and female friends who I don't fancy, but I do have a girl in my life at the moment. If you had what most people call "manners" you could have quite easily asked me and I would have told you all this, but no, you had to go all the way and call me something I'm not, kudos to you. Doesn't it just make you feel good knowing everyone on this board thinks you are a brash, homophobic biggot? Again sir, kudos to you.

 

[gibbsnsmith]

Wow. I'm impressed at Gibbs' command of the English language. :wow:

:P :P :P
it isnt a real word?

 

[PY]

homphobiscm isn't a word, sorry.

According to Meriam-Webster anyway :P

Deeps, spit your dummy out mate. More than a tad immature.

 

[Neil Pickup]

The word is homophobia.

 

[Rik]

To Deeps: Are you really that bored that you've resorted to picking on Rik?

It's not usually a very good idea I'd like to add...

 

[PY]

It's not usually a very good idea I'd like to add...

He'll bore you to death with replies that are far too long to even bother reading

:saint:

 

[Rik]

He'll bore you to death with replies that are far too long to even bother reading

:saint:

Yup

(It's called the T_C Method :saint: )

Still though, I bet you read it all PY :P

 

[Richard]

But not an all-rounder.

An all-rounder can be a keeper who bats or someone who bats and bowls. I see no reason why Clarke should be classified as an all-rounder because that would require him to bowl. Something he hasn't done much during his career. Yes he's had some success but everything points to him still being a batsman who bowls. You think anyone really thinks Rikki Clarke will be a great all-rounder after his success with the ball in Bangladesh? Nope he will allways be a batsman who bowls unless something amazing happens to his bowling.

If you want an all-rounder look at Khaled Mahmud. Ok he's basically rubbish but every time he plays he bats and bowls which consititutes a definition of "all-rounder". Who cares that he's all-round rubbish at everything? It's the phrase we are talking about here, the lable of "all-rounder", not ability.

Clarke may have more talent than Sachin Tendulkar for all I care but he's a part-time bowler at best. Hell would you call Sehwag, Ganguly or Tendulkar all-rounders?

Well explained - an all-rounder is someone who is approximately equal at both abilities. However good they are at both.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Well explained - an all-rounder is someone who is approximately equal at both abilities. However good they are at both.

Like Marc, then.

 

[Richard]

one question for you, if all of these spinners are supposed to be so good, than why has one Richard Dawson played 7 tests. ive seen more than enought to know how good he is....

Because selectors make stupid decisions sometimes. You should know. Not long ago a guy called Nathan Hauritz was playing ODIs for Australia. If there's been a worse spinner than Dawson playing internationally recently, he's the only contender.

 

[Richard]

Oh yes. I'm a dimwit because I know the difference between Test and FC cricket? :rolleyes: When you figure out the basics of the game, then you can call names, but until then, I suggest you calm down.

Well, the difference between FC and Test cricket is a bit like that between an apple and a green apple...
Most people, however, can tell the difference between domestic and international cricket.

 

[Richard]

RC has only played 1 first-class season.

Hate to disagree with you, eddie, but for me Clarke has played enough in both 2002 and 2003 to have been considered to have played two full seasons.
Maybe the term "full" was used a bit more loosely in the days when international cricket in England had a sane calender... sadly those days are only just within the memory scope of most of us. You have the eternal gift that you remember the better days...

 

[Rik]

Well explained - an all-rounder is someone who is approximately equal at both abilities. However good they are at both.

Yeah, they are good at both, good enough to qualify for the lable. Mark Butcher would not be classed as an all-rounder in my opinion. An all-rounder is someone who has enough ability to perform to a good standard in 2 areas, such as a keeper who is also a consistant batsman, or a bowler/batsman who can contribute well with bat/ball respectively. A true all-rounder is someone who is like a Jaques Kallis, a top class batsman who is also a fine bowler, although even Kallis is leaning towards a definition as a batting all-rounder.

We will allways have Batting and Bowling all-rounders, but will call them simply all-rounders, because, to get a true all-rounder, we would have to find someone who's equal at both roles, and also has the strength and stamina to keep both roles at an equal pegging.

Another thing is an all-rounder can be someone who never performs in either role, yet bats regularly and bowls regularly, such as Khaled Mahmud. He's so bad at batting he can't be classed as a batsman who bowls, and his bowling is so un-penetrating he can't be classed as a bowler who bats. It's about the only definition I can give him. All-round rubbish but still an all-rounder.

 

[Rik]

Because selectors make stupid decisions sometimes. You should know. Not long ago a guy called Nathan Hauritz was playing ODIs for Australia. If there's been a worse spinner than Dawson playing internationally recently, he's the only contender.

Hauritz is a good OD bowler.

The only contender IMO is Paul Wiseman...

 

[Richard]

One question for you - how come you bag all English spinners (including those with better FC records than Katich) then say that Katich is better than most spinners around but we can't judge him till he's bowled on real turners?

That is double standards in the extreme.

Don't you remember last 3 Ashes'? When it was pointed-out that England had terrible trouble with injuries in all three series, it was "yet again the poms have to resort to making excuses" and when each series' English victory arrived it was that Australia had so many disadvantages (the length of the day at The MCG, even though most would consider that fielding is much more draining than batting; the injury to Stephen Waugh and the declaration at Headingley; the injuries to Warne, Gillespie and McGrath at The SCG) as to render the English victories all but meaningless...
It was frightening how genuine the belief and the insistance was, and how the double-standards and one-eyedness simply couldn't be seen.
Not saying all Aussies suffer from this, nor that it is a trait unique to Australia (it's commonplace in West Indian islands, and people treat it as a huge joke how home heroes can do no wrong in the eyes of their spectators), but it's startling how they can fail to realise their faults while never stopping criticising English public and Press for the "when they do badly, you criticise them, when they do well, you criticise them" mentality.
Personally, I'd much rather be an eternal pessimist than an eternal optimist. I find trying to see the best in everything highly embarrasing.

 

[Richard]

Was that supposed to be an insult? Do you really think it hurts me to be called a homosexual? Give me at least one valid reason why homosexuallity is so wrong and can be used as such an insult? Have you actually grown up from the bullies on the playground at school who take out their frustrations on other people and tend to use the phrase "gay" as an insult so that everyone thinks it's such an evil and hurtful thing. The attitude towards homosexuals in general appauls me, as I have some homosexual or "gay" friends who are amazing people and their ***ual preference does not matter one jot to me, and neither should it to anyone else.

You know, there was a time when "gay" was another way of saying "happy." Read the old Noddy books and you will see "gay" being used. But over the years it's meaning has changed to describing homosexuallity and used as a hurtful slang word. What a sad world we live in.

And yet again you got it wrong, I'm not homosexual, and even if I was I'd just pity you because of your lack of open-mindedness. I'm straight, I only fancy girls, I have some very close male and female friends who I don't fancy, but I do have a girl in my life at the moment. If you had what most people call "manners" you could have quite easily asked me and I would have told you all this, but no, you had to go all the way and call me something I'm not, kudos to you. Doesn't it just make you feel good knowing everyone on this board thinks you are a brash, homophobic biggot? Again sir, kudos to you.

Dude, I sure wish I could have made this reply. I don't think I could have put it better, and I just hate homophobics with a passion.
You, sir, are just 8D 8D 8D .

 

[Richard]

Like Marc, then.

I always though marc was just an Ajit Agarkar fan...

 

[Rik]

Dude, I sure wish I could have made this reply. I don't think I could have put it better, and I just hate homophobics with a passion.
You, sir, are just 8D 8D 8D .

*Blushes* (oh what a "gay" thing to do)

 

[Rik]

I always though marc was just an Ajit Agarkar fan...

He is