honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah that never happened when Warne played.
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‘The Warne’ factor
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subshakerz
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Yeah they were never whitewashed.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Your point is, as usual, a ridiculous reach at best, but apparently I misremembered the 1998 series. So, my bad.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah but that is my point. Most of Australia's series results would have stayed the same, margin would just change.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
No worries.
Australia with Lyon were whitewashed in India in 2013, UAE in 2014 and Sri Lanka in 2016. Lyon had minimal impact in all three series. With Warne, I don't think Australia would be whitewashed in any of these series, and likely would have drawn/won series that were lost/drawn in the SC.
Doubt they would lose in Headingly 2019 with Warne instead of Lyon, so they would win that series. Or one of the 2013 or 2015 series which were close enough that Warne would make a difference.
So, with Warne, Australia would have been a much better team this past decade, consistently in the top two and often number one.
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Sunil1z
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Would 90s and 00s Aus have won series against RSA without Warne ?
Similarly would they have won Test series in SL in 04 ?
Socerer 01
International Captain
given the voodoo Warne had over Cullinan at that time SA may have done better tbh
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Warne in 96 in SA didn't play a huge role and I think Lyon could have done a holding job, so Australia still win.
In the 2000s, Australia were just vastly superior to SA so Warne not being there wouldnt have affected a series result.
The only question is in Australia in 97 since that was a strong SA side, McGrath had an ordinary series while Warne was amazing in the first two tests. I think without Warne, that series could have ended with a draw rather than a win.
Australia would have definitely lost in SL without Warne.
Fuller Pilch
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Also Adelaide 2006 would be renembered as a fairly uneventful draw
Burgey
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The 2000-2007 pitches in Aus were among the flattest ever seen. The country was in the midst of a nearly decade long drought.
Warne's just a better bowler and cricketer than Lyon on every available measure. Lyon having a decent series in India last time around doesn't change that one iota.
Warne was often a flog of the highest order, but the bloke's genius as a cricketer is undeniable. I'd rather walk from here to Perth to watch Shane Warne bowl one over on that pitch than stroll across the road to watch Nathan Lyon (or any finger spinner come to that) bowl all day on a spinning deck.
To paraphrase Jules in Pulp Fiction, it's not so much they aren't in the same ball park, the difference between them is so great they're barely even playing the same mother****ing sport.
Warne was just box office. To see him come onto bowl in a test here was something else. You'd have a whole crowd yahooing at some dead spot in the game, not really paying attention, then he'd come on and everyone, literally everyone, would sit forward in their seat and be enthralled. The only other bloke have that effect on a crowd here in my time watching was Lillee. If someone else comes along who has that effect, I hope I'm there to see it.
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Shady Slim
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CricketFan90s
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If Warne was missing then Australia ?? could have lost 1999 World Cup Semi Final to South Africa and South Africa ?? would have been the World Champions. England might have been a competitive side against Australia in Ashes atleast at Home.
Burgey
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Apt
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Yeah, watch a replay of the 2005 Ashes
He took 40 wickets while still being shafted on lbws
Son Of Coco
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Warne had the ability to take the game by the thruff of the scrote. He imparted his will on it.
Lyon, not so much.
Lyon, not so much.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Warne was bowling decently in that series contrary to what ppl said, tho short of his best.
Laxman was just unreal tho and Tendulkar was also in top form.
Nintendo
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Warne averages 50 that series. Lyon obviously would perform worse than his career record in India because no DRS, but I still think he would average closer to 40-45 in that series and not 50. Difference isn't huge, but it probably would have given Aus a serious change to win the 3rd test given that India won 8 down and Warne went at 7 an over in the 4th dig.
Molehill
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I've no idea what an 'Adelaide 2006' even is. It is certainly not remembered at all in England.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Don't worry I've lost count of All Black Rugby World Cup defeats that I "can't remember". And it is very strange that there was no ODI CWC in 2019.