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He wouldn't throw Lesnar around now though, no chance. Lesnar's a far better athlete now than he ever was whilst in the WWE. He's better conditioned, carrying less muscle mass (he's dropped about 50lbs) which means he's faster, has more agility, and he's been training with the best guys in the world, training the full range of MMA skills. He'd throw Angle around like a rag doll now. If you'd seen the Lesnar-Mir fight you'd have to be scared for Angle, the way Lesnar threw Mir around was seriously impressive. Mir's face was a mess by the end of the match, Lesnar would do the same to Angle.

He wasn't in anywhere near his best condition by the olympics. He suffered his neck injury in the Olympic trials and he had to spend the 5 months in the build up recovering and trying to get his neck sorted for the Olympics. He got addicted to the pain reducing injections vicodin at this time too, that's how he managed to get through so much pain. The judges decision in his gold medal wrestling match was dubious too. I seriously doubt he was doing 11 hours a day 7 days a week of training too, it's almost physically impossible to do that.

There's a guy called Kevin Jackson who has a better wrestling pedigree than Angle, he won an Olympic gold, 2 world championship golds and 2 pan american games golds, and his MMA record was 4-2. He only fought 1 genuinely good fighter in his career too, and got beat bad, losing in 16 seconds to Frank Shamrock via armbar. Wrestling's a good base for MMA, but it doesn't automatically result in success. Only 1 of the 5 UFC champions is a wrestler, Brock Lesnar. Georges St-Pierre has excellent wrestling too, but he didn't start training until he started in MMA, and he's already regarded as the best wrestler in all of MMA, that's how talented an athlete he is. He would smash the **** out of Kurt Angle.

Winning a gold medal doesn't automatically = success either. Matt Lindland won a silver medal at the 2000 Olympics in Greco Roman wrestling and he never made it as more than a mid-card MMA fighter. Randy Couture won gold at the pan american games and he's 18-10 in his MMA career, hell of a fighter, but he's had to work harder than ever in the last 2 years to keep up with the advances in mixed martial arts. He was one of the best in the world when he started in 1997 but he's not dominating everyone, and he's been training for 13 years. Being just a pure wrestler worked in the days of Mark Coleman and Randy Couture in the late 90's, but not anymore. Angle would not just walk straight in after training for a few months and dominate anyone in the UFC.

How extreme was this training then? I've read he was training 6 to 8 hours a day, which is the same as a UFC fighter, except for the fact that wrestling is not as physically demanding as the training UFC fighters go through. Forrest Griffin trains 3 times a day, 6 times a week with extra strength and conditioning on a Sunday. He isn't just training 1 discipline like Angle was either, he's training in Muay Thai, Boxing, Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling and then doing strength and conditioning training on top of that. MMA Fighters at the top level are the most conditioned athletes I've ever seen. They work harder than in any sport I've ever seen, and the dedication and talent required to make it as a champion in the UFC is unparalleled.

Angle couldn't have taken Puder down a number of times either. Angle was winning the grappling exchange, as he was using the underhook, and even had double underhooks at 1 stage, but given his impressive wrestling pedigree I'm amazed he didn't do anything with it. If you actually understood what you were watching, you'd see that Angle didn't actually take Puder down either. Once Puder had the Kimura applied, he dropped down and pulled Angle into his half guard (jiu jitsu terminology) and fully extended the hold. That's when the referee had to make the pin to save Angle's shoulder from being ruined.

Injured or not, ground work is more technique than anything else, and he was still getting kimura'd. Funny that he looked perfectly fine when grappling with Nawrocki, but as soon as he grappled with someone remotely talented he looked injured.
My argument isn't based purely on the Puder incident either, it's based on the knowledge of MMA I have, and the fact that a pure wrestler would be useless in MMA without any other training, making your claims that Angle would destroy UFC fighters laughable. Might be able to out-wrestle them, but the UFC isn't a wrestling competition, and Angle would get his arse handed to him.

Bull****. Angle was healthy, and the Tough Enough guys had just been competing in a squat thrust competition, with the winning getting a chance to grapple with Angle, a guy named Chris Nawrocki won and was beaten by Angle, so Puder stepped up. Puder is an average mixed martial artist even now, so back then he was nothing more than a can in he MMA world, and he'd have snapped Angles shoulder to pieces if it wasn't for that referee saving his arse. So imagine what a genuinely talented Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt would do to him. He could barely take Puder down too, so he'd not stand a chance of taking someone with good takedown defence down, someone like Chuck Liddell, who has excellent takedown defence would just stuff Angle's takedown and knock him the fuuck out on the feet. You really are clueless, this is some of the most biased rubbish I've ever read. If you knew anything about MMA you'd realise what a prat of yourself you're making.

LOL, was just reading about the Angle-Puder incident:
"It was real. If you don't follow fighting, Puder had Angle locked in the Kimura, or keylock as Tazz called it, although Tazz didn't let on the move was fully executed. Not only was Angle not getting out of the move, but most MMA fighters would have tapped already. Angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref counted a three even though Puder's shoulders weren't fully down, trying to end the thing, because the reality was Angle would have been in surgery had it gone a few seconds longer or had Puder not given up the hold." LOL, he'd be clueless against a proper Mixed Martial Artist.

YouTube - Kurt Angle & Daniel Puder grappling Haha, this proves my point. Angle grappling with a guy who's not even a UFC bottom rung MMA fighter, Daniel Puder. Could barely take him down, and when he did, he was getting kimura'd from half guard. In an MMA fight Puder would have either snapped Angle's shoulder, or forced him to tap. Angle wouldn't stand a chance against a genuinely good MMA fighter.

:L Do you know what proper wrestling is? The objective is to pin your opponents shoulders to the mat. There are no submissions and no striking. So all Angle would be able to do to an MMA fighter is hold them down on the ground. Someone like a Demian Maia, a Shinya Aoki, a BJ Penn or a Frank Mir would submit him in a matter of minutes. I would love to see Mir in there with Angle right now. Mir would beat him in every aspect of the game bar takedowns, but due to his size, superior striking ability and genuine ground technique he'd finish Angle in the first round. You really are clueless.

Wrestling's a good base for MMA, but it's not the be all and end all. Even with a year of training Angle would get his arse handed to him by a lot of top Mixed martial artists. Brock Lesnar found that out when he got submitted by Frank Mir, and that was after 2 years of training, and he had a 30lb weight advantage. Angle wouldn't have a size advantage over anyone in his weight class, and would subsequently get owned. Say he fought at 205lbs, which would more than likely be his weight class, and fought a 185lber in Demian Maia, he'd be tapping out in under 3 minutes, no doubt about it, even with the weight advantage. A year would not be enough to make Kurt Angle good enough to run through the UFC. Wrestling simply isn't the be all and end all in MMA.

Of course I know he won a gold medal. Means **** all in MMA. Randy Couture won gold at the Pan American games, but without solid MMA training he wouldn't have got anywhere. Prior to 2003 he'd probably have outwrestled the large majority of MMA fighters, but he'd not have stood a chance in a proper MMA bout. You clearly know nothing about MMA training schedules if you think that Angle's training annihilated what they do. Just biased bull**** direct from the mouth of Kurt Angle. Angle would get his arse handed to him in the UFC. He's a wrestler and that's all, far more to MMA than that.

It's not Manly, it's Manley

As for Lesnar, Angle may have outwrestled him, but nowadays Lesnar would wipe the floor with him. Lesnar's faster, more athletic, younger, bigger, has genuine MMA talent and has adapted his wrestling talents to MMA. Angle would be clueless, much like Lesnar was when he got subbed by his first genuine MMA opponent, Frank Mir. Angle wouldn't stand a hope in hell against top level MMA fighters without a good years full-time training.

What are you, some kind of stalker? It's not Manly that's for sure.

I know what wrestling is you dick, I watch MMA. Wrestling is not anything like street fighting. In essence, street fighting is punching and kicking, wrestling is a form of grappling, which simply is not anything like street fighting. How many times have you seen a whizzer utilised in a street fight?
Also, I can't find any record of Angle wrestling Couture. A few links where Angle's run his mouth saying how he wants to get into MMA and take on Couture, but they never got anything sorted, and Randy's amateur wrestling days ended before Angle was properly on the scene.

Kurt Angle was a wrestler. He didn't used to destroy UFC fighters, as he's not ever fought in MMA. Very, very talented wrestler, but he'd have been destroyed by most decent MMA fighters in a matter of minutes, you can't make it purely as a wrestler in MMA, so there's no chance he was destroying UFC fighters in any trials. Complete fabrication.

You've got a tattoo honouring your boyfriend, might as well get a skanky tramp stamp too. Nice usage of my mother as well, real classy.

Except for the fact I don't have a tattoo, and that isn't my name. =/ Bringing the UFC fighter into it is pretty laughable as well, considering you've stated on a number of occasions that your tattoo is inspired by Kurt Angle's tattoo, a Pro Wrestler. That's far worse.

So you don't want a nice pretty tribal design tramp stamp to go with your boyfriend tat? Hadn't noticed that before I read Voltman's post, but you really should have had B.F. so it doesn't look like boyfriend :L

Yeah, they're chinese characters used in the Japanese writing system. Work that one out.

You should get a Tramp Stamp to go with your Boyfriend tattoo.

What was the idea?
The Kanji script, to make sure it actually means Honour, and isn't the Kanji for **** or something.