Johan
International Captain
Hobbs is just Hutton with more of an attacking dominant game.
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Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
I am not comfortable ranking any 1900s cricketer ahead of modern day great like Sachin or Smith but hey that’s just my opinion
sayon basak
International Captain
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He's just making something up to get mad about again. There is barely any consensus on CW on who the second best batsman after Bradman is, much less people thinking Tendulkar is in his own tier ahead of other candidates. Hobbs/Sobers usually beat him on polls/lists of batsmen here too IIRC (which is fair imo).
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I am fine with doing that but not as far as best behind Bradman.
sayon basak
International Captain
And that's fair imo. But completely cutting them out of the picture is a bit unjust (and disrespectful) imo.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
To Johan's credit, he convinced me that Hobbs must have been a beast with the bat in ways that suggest he could have transcended the limitations of his era. But that lingering doubt of not being able to see his gameplay means I cant put him near top of the tree.
Johan
International Captain
@subshakerz If Hutton didn't have a severe compound fracture during the Second World War, which made him lose his attacking game against short pitched pace, then I reckon he'd be the Best after Bradman, he has the most flawless record of all ATGs with a deformity.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
I have Hobbs & Hutton/Gavaskar in ATG side but I am not always comfortable with having a player who debuted in 1900s in my team.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I think having an attacking game is a prerequisite to be in the top tier. So Hutton, even as opener, is slightly outside that.
sayon basak
International Captain
Fair. I rate him at 3 behind Bradman and Sachin, which I think is reasonable. I could go either way on him vs Sachin tho.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I understand the concern but no need to be ageist.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
I prefer my openers to be on the defensive side.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Hobbs is the most dominant batsman compared to his peers outside of Bradman but I rate Sachin better
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Same here.
I've also decide to go Viv ahead of Sobers recently, and Smith ahead of Lara and Hutton.
Johan
International Captain
I think Hutton did have an attacking game but only lacking it against short pitched pace bowling because he can't hook the ball well anymore as his left hand afaik was terrible for all his life, It's fine imo, everyone has a slight technical flaw.
sayon basak
International Captain
tbf you rate Gavaskar higher as well.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Sachin to me is the nearest to a complete bat in all ways (technique, record, etc.) we will be ever privileged to see.
sayon basak
International Captain
Yeah I also rate Viv>Sobers, guess I'll wait for Smith to finish before I decide Smith vs Hutton, but he might already be ahead of Lara for me.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Hutton and Smith is a true tossup, but Lara is slightly behind both and Huttons record is just clearly superior to Lara.
I wonder why Hutton is underrated.