Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)

[capt_Luffy]

That knock ended in loss and that should hurt the Indian fans the most. He has two ducks vs Pakistan which the opposition celebrated famously and an embarrassing not out too. I feel Pakistan always got the better of him in Tests cricket whenever the contest between bat and ball was even.

Like you seriously can't blame Sachin for that??? The balance between bat and ball wasn't even as a matter of fact, it very much was a bowlers game. That knock is legit ATG and I won't complain about someone returning one ATG knock in 3 games, at all

 

[subshakerz]

I think anyone who hasn't had a cerebral event knows Smith is better than Tendulkar as things stand rn.

Maybe that will be entertained this month, and another poor series and Smith won't be seen as such.

 

[Johan]

@Johan , @subshakerz

Your opinion on this?

fair enough

 

[sayon basak]

@Rob Wesley @sayon basak @capt_Luffy

Difference between Sachin Tendulkar's prime vs Steve Smith prime.
Interestingly many people says Smith prime came during batting friendly era and sachin Tendulkar's prime during bowling friendly era but the reality is completely different.
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Don't think anybody disputes that Smith's prime is better than Sachin's. It's just that Sachin performed for a way longer period of time.

 

[Coronis]

Tendulkar was in a different league between 1992-2002 for 11 years. He averaged 60 during this period and performed against everyone and everywhere except Pakistan in Tests. The sample was 92 tests which unfortunately is not a lot because India were mid tier teams back then.

He did well vs Donald and Pollock, McGrath and Warne and also stood up well vs Ambrose and Walsh. He was quite dominant vs Sri Lanka, England and New Zealand too.

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Huh? How is him playing 8.5 tests a year a low sample size. The amount of test cricket between 92-02 was actually incredibly balanced. You have 6/9 teams playing 93-103 tests over a 10 year period. (Zimbabwe, Australia and England the obvious outliers). We should be so lucky these days.

 

[Burgey]

Viv or Sachin burgey

Tendulkar

 

[Johan]

Tendulkar

Aw

 

[Burgey]

I’d rather watch Viv than Tendulkar. Then again I’d like watch him bat probably more than any other player I’ve seen. But I think Tendulkar was a bit better

 

[subshakerz]

@Rob Wesley @sayon basak @capt_Luffy

Difference between Sachin Tendulkar's prime vs Steve Smith prime.
Interestingly many people says Smith prime came during batting friendly era and sachin Tendulkar's prime during bowling friendly era but the reality is completely different.
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The claim is Smiths peak came in batting friendly era, not entire career.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Like you seriously can't blame Sachin for that??? The balance between bat and ball wasn't even as a matter of fact, it very much was a bowlers game. That knock is legit ATG and I won't complain about someone returning one ATG knock in 3 games, at all

I am blaming him for his other failures. 2 ducks and an embarrassing run out at runners end. Gave a meek impression of the player.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I am blaming him for his other failures. 2 ducks and an embarrassing run out at runners end. Gave a meek impression of the player.

And I giving him credit for his literal best performance...... You can argue he wasn't overall Great, but can't really see it criticize worthy.

 

[Rob Wesley]

And I giving him credit for his literal best performance...... You can argue he wasn't overall Great, but can't really see it criticize worthy.

Literal best performance in losing cause. That’s the ultimate conclusion. All the failures and 1 literal best performance but that literal best came in losing cause. That’s worth criticism in my opinion.

 

[Coronis]

Like you seriously can't blame Sachin for that??? The balance between bat and ball wasn't even as a matter of fact, it very much was a bowlers game. That knock is legit ATG and I won't complain about someone returning one ATG knock in 3 games, at all

Maybe if he got more than 0 in the first dig they would’ve won tho.

 

[kyear2]

most of these complaints apply to sachin too. he didn't hit daddy hundreds.. never dominated a series where he showed he was cut above the rest. He's never reached the peak of ponting. he failed against most of the great bowlers he faced in the 90s while cashing in on the average attacks. He's over rated that his stans' go to defence is longevity. sachin batted half of the time on flat decks still lacked daddy hundreds and his SR is not all that impressive considering the flat decks he's used to batting. he also of

if you subject sachin to all these scrutiny, you'd realize sachin is india's kallis.

A lot of this is true.

Yet he's then elevated to a point where he's clear of the other guys in his grouping.

None of them are perfect and he's no exception.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Huh? How is him playing 8.5 tests a year a low sample size. The amount of test cricket between 92-02 was actually incredibly balanced. You have 6/9 teams playing 93-103 tests over a 10 year period. (Zimbabwe, Australia and England the obvious outliers). We should be so lucky these days.

I didn’t mean to say it is a low sample but that he got to play relatively less cricket at his peak. But compared to number of tests India play today, I think it is lesser especially first half of 90s.

 

[Johan]

Maybe if he got more than 0 in the first dig they would’ve won tho.

is this that Anwar 188* game? I remember it being close

 

[Coronis]

I didn’t mean to say it is a low sample but that he got to play relatively less cricket at his peak. But compared to number of tests India play today, I think it is lesser especially first half of 90s.

92-02 India played 95 tests
14-24 India played 107 tests

So if he played 100 tests in this peak instead of 92 it wouldn’t be small

 

[Coronis]

is this that Anwar 188* game? I remember it being close

Afridi 141 game

 

[Johan]

Afridi 141 game

Oh Yeah the chennai game, Yeah if Sachin made 20-30 in first inning India would've won that

 

[subshakerz]

A lot of this is true.

Yet he's then elevated to a point where he's clear of the other guys in his grouping.

None of them are perfect and he's no exception.

How many portray Tendulkar that way on CW? Don't make a false presentation.

I don't think he is ever or rarely presented as having no competition with Hobbs and Sobers or even Viv.