Ravichandran Ashwin vs Pat Cummins

[subshakerz]

you’re proving his point by including South Africa and England there

And Pakistan? He performed on dead pitches there.

 

[Socerer 01]

And Pakistan? He performed on dead pitches there.

im not here diminishing any cricketer’s achievements nor do I wish to though

all i want is for everyone getting their fair share of due and credit instead of being put down

 

[Xix2565]

What series will be hailed and remembered in 2030 from India at home in the 2010s?

Again, don't derail and get back to the point of being reasonable.

 

[Socerer 01]

What series will be hailed and remembered in 2030 from India at home in the 2010s?

2017-18 when Australia toured just for 1

 

[Silver Silva]

What series will be hailed and remembered in 2030 from India at home in the 2010s?

The SA series when Ashwin and Jadeja turned Ab De Villiers and Amla into Boycott and Tavare basically. That was memorable in itself

 

[Socerer 01]

England fans wont forget that tour they did here in covid because it has one of Anderson’s relevant away performances

 

[subshakerz]

2017-18 when Australia toured just for 1

Yeah maybe because of Smith but I will concede on that being a great series.

The SA series when Ashwin and Jadeja turned Ab De Villiers and Amla into Boycott and Tavare basically. That was memorable in itself

That may not be remembered for bowling skill but pitch quality.

 

[subshakerz]

Again, don't derail and get back to the point of being reasonable.

It is a reasonable position that foreign away triumphs will define the era and be more memorable than home ones unless it is against a strong opposition like India-Australia 2001.

 

[h_hurricane]

It is a reasonable position that foreign away triumphs will define the era and be more memorable than home ones unless it is against a strong opposition like India-Australia 2001.

And yet, Kumble was missing in 2001 triumph against Australia. He couldn't win a series against them in down under in 2003-04 and was a mute spectator when we were fried at home in 2004-05. Didn't win any series in Eng, NZ or SA through his career. India had to wait until his retirement to win something in NZ in 2008-09. Home bullying was his hallmark. And yet, you consider him to be a better bowler than Ashwin.

 

[subshakerz]

And yet, Kumble was missing in 2001 triumph against Australia. He couldn't win a series against them in down under in 2003-04 and was a mute spectator when we were fried at home in 2004-05. Didn't win any series in Eng, NZ or SA through his career. India had to wait until his retirement to win something in NZ in 2008-09. Home bullying was his hallmark. And yet, you consider him to be a better bowler than Ashwin.

But not an ATG.

Btw they won in Eng with Kumble in 2007.

 

[h_hurricane]

But not an ATG.

Btw they won in Eng with Kumble in 2007.

Haha, true. Funnily, I don't remember any of his bowling from that series, apart from the only hundred he scored and the hilarious way he escaped a stumping on the verge of it.

 

[subshakerz]

Haha, true. Funnily, I don't remember any of his bowling from that series, apart from the only hundred he scored and the hilarious way he escaped a stumping on the verge of it.

He actually bowled well in the test they won and scored a ton in another game, from what I recall.

 

[h_hurricane]

He actually bowled well in the test they won and scored a ton in another game, from what I recall.

Yes, they were cute(and impactful) 3 fors I agree.

 

[subshakerz]

Yes, they were cute(and impactful) 3 fors I agree.

Yeah hehe.

 

[CricAddict]

It is futile to argue with subz. The quicker you guys understand it, the better.

The rabbit he caught always has only three legs.

 

[Xix2565]

It is a reasonable position that foreign away triumphs will define the era and be more memorable than home ones unless it is against a strong opposition like India-Australia 2001.

That wasn't your point though so don't lie again. And India has been good enough to be the best side for a while and he's been pivotal to that.

 

[subshakerz]

That wasn't your point though so don't lie again. And India has been good enough to be the best side for a while and he's been pivotal to that.

My point was that Ashwin wont be remembered in the future except by Indian fans whereas Cummins will because he is on course to be an ATG.

 

[subshakerz]

It is futile to argue with subz. The quicker you guys understand it, the better.

The rabbit he caught always has only three legs.

No I am actually quite reasonable and several times I have reversed my opinion based on evidence, check the Steyn vs Ambrose thread, or given conciliatory messages for players I seem to harshly critique, such as the Ashwin ATG thread. Unfortunately, there is a tendency towards groupthink and reactionary replies among several of you. Maybe you all enjoy jousting with me.

 

[Socerer 01]

My point was that Ashwin wont be remembered in the future except by Indian fans whereas Cummins will because he is on course to be an ATG.

which has also been refuted with multiple responses to which you have been ignorant or shot down because it doesnt suit your narrative

only you can claim that a player who many put in an atg Indian xi will be forgotten

 

[Xix2565]

My point was that Ashwin wont be remembered in the future except by Indian fans whereas Cummins will because he is on course to be an ATG.

How is it reasonable? If I say the opposite, how is that argument any more valid? It's stupid from top to bottom.