Ravichandran Ashwin vs Pat Cummins

[subshakerz]

How is it reasonable? If I say the opposite, how is that argument any more valid? It's stupid from top to bottom.

That is not an argument.

which has also been refuted with multiple responses to which you have been ignorant or shot down because it doesnt suit your narrative

only you can claim that a player who many put in an atg Indian xi will be forgotten

I already told you, he will still be remembered in Indian circles, don't worry.

 

[Xix2565]

That is not an argument.


I already told you, he will still be remembered in Indian circles, don't worry.

It's valid enough when you haven't said **** to support your point. Home records are a large part of everyone's records and to disparage Ashwin for it and not Cummins is braindead. Let alone this idea that one will be forgotten while the other won't. It has no basis in reality, both have been fantastic enough to be well remembered for years to come.

What worries me is that you can post like this while supposedly being a teacher. I shouldn't be asking you to be capable of making a valid point.

 

[Chrish]

*** ain’t half the player Ash is..

 

[subshakerz]

It's valid enough when you haven't said **** to support your point. Home records are a large part of everyone's records and to disparage Ashwin for it and not Cummins is braindead. Let alone this idea that one will be forgotten while the other won't. It has no basis in reality, both have been fantastic enough to be well remembered for years to come.

What worries me is that you can post like this while supposedly being a teacher. I shouldn't be asking you to be capable of making a valid point.

I demerit Ashwin for his away record, not his home record. I have said before if playing on the SC, he is the best spinner after Murali.

Cummins so far hasn't been as bad away.

*** ain’t half the player Ash is..

in the SC

 

[Xix2565]

I demerit Ashwin for his away record, not his home record. I have said before if playing on the SC, he is the best spinner after Murali.

Cummins so far hasn't been as bad away.


in the SC

It's the same thing, dissing home performances as if they are normal and not extraordinary on their own. And of course I know about the brainless takes on the away performances. Cummins is lucky in that you see SENA performances as separate enough to boost him but subcontinental ones as all the same. His record isn't debated, only your perceptions and assumptions.

 

[subshakerz]

If we talk perception even in world cricket today, outside of India, Ashwin will not be seen as a legend. Nor is he seen as such by his own cricket management who decide to not even play him when they choose away. He is seen like Philander, an excellent bowler when conditions allow, except with more wickets.

 

[subshakerz]

It's the same thing, dissing home performances as if they are normal and not extraordinary on their own. And of course I know about the brainless takes on the away performances. Cummins is lucky in that you see SENA performances as separate enough to boost him but subcontinental ones as all the same. His record isn't debated, only your perceptions and assumptions.

Cummins did well in Pakistan and is still half way in his career, so he gets off.

 

[Xix2565]

Cummins did well in Pakistan and is still half way in his career, so he gets off.

Doesn't count, sorry. We don't allow idiocy here.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't count, sorry. We don't allow idiocy here.

Why doesn't Pakistan count? Those were dead wickets and he outperformed Starc, Shaheen and all the others.

 

[Xix2565]

Why doesn't Pakistan count? Those were dead wickets and he outperformed Starc, Shaheen and all the others.

3 Tests are meaningless overall, and this is just ignoring that you're making up random justifications to try to make your point better when it's a horrible take. You literally made up nonsense about player perceptions and now you want to lie to me about it and say you're totally right for no reason?

 

[subshakerz]

3 Tests are meaningless overall, and this is just ignoring that you're making up random justifications to try to make your point better when it's a horrible take. You literally made up nonsense about player perceptions and now you want to lie to me about it and say you're totally right for no reason?

That last test performance by Cummins in Pakistan is better than any match performance by Ashwin in SENA in his entire career.

 

[Daemon]

subs rates Haze's 5-fer in the current game higher than anything Ashwin's ever done

 

[subshakerz]

subs rates Haze's 5-fer in the current game higher than anything Ashwin's ever done

No because it is in England.

 

[Xix2565]

That last test performance by Cummins in Pakistan is better than any match performance by Ashwin in SENA in his entire career.

Your opinions have hardly been worth considering, maybe actually try to make a point that isn't just wishful thinking please.

 

[subshakerz]

Your opinions have hardly been worth considering, maybe actually try to make a point that isn't just wishful thinking please.

Sure. Last test, deciding game, docile surface, seals the game with a fifer, outperforms every other pacer in the test. Awesome Cummins performance.

 

[Xix2565]

Sure. Last test, deciding game, docile surface, seals the game with a fifer, outperforms every other pacer in the test. Awesome Cummins performance.

Again, this is about your opinions. It being a good performance is not in anyway supporting your prior points so I don't see why you want to try to bring it up.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sure. Last test, deciding game, docile surface, seals the game with a fifer, outperforms every other pacer in the test. Awesome Cummins performance.

That was literally the one game in that series where every pacer from both teams did well.

 

[CricAddict]

I demerit Ashwin for his away record, not his home record. I have said before if playing on the SC, he is the best spinner after Murali.

Cummins so far hasn't been as bad away.


in the SC

Cummins jinxed here in this thread the same way Indian team got jinxed in that greatest sides thread.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Pakistan once went 15 years without losing a home series. Yet that doesn't really matter to fans as much as their first win in England and India in the 80s.

20 years from now, fans will still remember this teams' win in Australia but their home streak will be lost in a blur. Home wins only stand out as memorable against high quality opposition otherwise they are expected. Home teams are expected to be bullies somewhat and India being bigger bullies than others will in hindsight be seen 100 percent as the product of unusually spinning wickets and that's about it.

The fact that Ashwin and Jadeja couldnt even on a single occasion remotely simulate their magic outside these conditions will be remembered as proof of their deficiencies and everyone who isn't a hardcore fanatic of team Kohli knows that. Ashwin will be written off as a one trick home bully pony which is actually a bit unfair since he is better than his poor overall away record seems.

Ok

 

[subshakerz]

Again, this is about your opinions. It being a good performance is not in anyway supporting your prior points so I don't see why you want to try to bring it up.

I am highlighting the quality of this performance compared to the under par ones from Ashwin.