Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
SF Barnes - perhaps the greatest bowler of all time.
Bill O'Reilly - possibly better than Warne and Murali.
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Kapil Dev vs Ryan Harris
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Bill O'Reilly - possibly better than Warne and Murali.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Gavaskar is the better new ball bowler
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I'd go Marshall as the GOAT and Bill O'Reilly as no 3 spinner, but would still put Barnes and O'Reilly in the top 10 bowlers.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Both definitely unquestionably better than Kapil.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Fair enough. I am just having fun here ?
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That's fine.
But if they played in contemporary times and only played that many games and didn't have a record in Asia to speak of, you would have a differing view point. So, I don't know what your point is wrt this thread.
sunilz
International Regular
Yes
That is why Pant is inferior to Gilchrist as a test bat. Otherwise he has twice the average of Gilchrist in Border Gavaskar trophy.
He also has more century than Gilchrist in England.
Imagine Pant retiring today and some Indian poster start rating him more than Gilchrist
And Pant has lower average than Gilchrist because Indian batting has become garbage overseas in last 3 years. So he hardly gets to do downhill skiing
And here is a bonus stats for you: Pant has same number of centuries in SA, ENG and AUS as Williamson
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Kapil ain't Gilchrist level as a bowler, genius
sunilz
International Regular
Gilchrist isn't even top 30 Test bat genius. How deluded you are ?
Kapil standing as a pure bowler is same as Gilchrist standing as a pure Test bat.
sunilz
International Regular
List of Test batsman better than Gilchrist:
Bradman, Smith, Chappel, Ponting, Steve Waugh , Miachel Clarke, Border, Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Kohli, Sehwag, Laxman, Hobbs, Hutton, Joe root, Pieterson, Hammond , Sutcfile, Kallis, Graeme Smith , Deviliers , Lara, Richards, Sobers, Chanderpaul, Rohan Kanhai, Inzamam , Miandad , Andy flower , Sangakkara and many more
Bradman, Smith, Chappel, Ponting, Steve Waugh , Miachel Clarke, Border, Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Kohli, Sehwag, Laxman, Hobbs, Hutton, Joe root, Pieterson, Hammond , Sutcfile, Kallis, Graeme Smith , Deviliers , Lara, Richards, Sobers, Chanderpaul, Rohan Kanhai, Inzamam , Miandad , Andy flower , Sangakkara and many more
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I never said Gilchrist was. But your comparison is bogus since Gilchrist averages more than Pant anyways so it's not even clear if Pant right now has a better record, whereas the only reason we are making this comparison is Harris has a much better overall record than Kapil albeit in a shorter period.
So it's more like saying Pant is a better bat than Dhoni despite playing one third of his games. Most of us would do so comfortably.
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sunilz
International Regular
Gilchrist averages more because Pant has played only 8 test in IND and 21 test in SENA countries. Whereas Gilchrist played around 60% of his game in Australia ?
Here is a bonus stats for you : Pant has more century than Inzamam in SA, AUS and ENG .
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The arguments are equally dumb tbf
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You didn't address the argument.
Also please stop saying Harris played at a world-class level for 5 years, the man only played 27 Tests in 5 years. Kapil played 3 more Tests per year than Harris ever managed, so don't use the number of years played here as some sort of argument for Harris when he barely managed to play 5 Tests a year.
sunilz
International Regular
What argument? Harris has a better record because he missed all the tough Aus Tests.
Between 2010 to 2014, Aus played 8 tests in IND/UAE and Aus lost all those 8 tests and Harris missed all those tests . So Harris basically avoided all those series in which his average could get worse.
In the Ashes and SA series any body who watched the series would say Johnson whose career average is 29 was better bowler than Harris.