*Official* India Tour of New Zealand 2019

[Athlai]

Where in India is Mount Manganui?

 

[Athlai]

it's entirely bracewell's fault he hasn't reverted to his strengths since being dropped, it just annoys me seeing a decent bowler go the franklin route

southee was a lesser bowler than bracewell when bracewell entered the team, but naturally his place is sacred in all formats which is why he'll play every nz game at the world cup

Franklin was due to injuries tbf.

 

[Zinzan]

it's entirely bracewell's fault he hasn't reverted to his strengths since being dropped, it just annoys me seeing a decent bowler go the franklin route

southee was a lesser bowler than bracewell when bracewell entered the team, but naturally his place is sacred in all formats which is why he'll play every nz game at the world cup

The more I think about it, the more Hobart was a fluke in my mind. It was just the perfect storm for Bracewell's bowling at that moment, green wicket with slightly invariable bounce & near-perfect swinging conditions.

He's never gone close to repeating it if we're honest.

 

[straw man]

I think we all know what Bracewell offers with the ball - something unexciting and akin to a 130km/h bowling machine, and not even all that accurate. A touch of shape today but generally expect good players to smash him everywhere, especially when it's roady.

I know we shouldn't automatically write people off - so what would he have to do to be in the side? If he's an allrounder then CDG is his primary competition (Neesham more a batsman) and Bracewell's bowling probably does exceed CDG's slightly in ODIs. But I have a hard time seeing his lower order batting exceeding CDG's and unless he can prove the opposite, there's no point.

 

[Athlai]

The more I think about it, the more Hobart was a fluke in my mind. It was just the perfect storm for Bracewell's bowling at that moment, green wicket with slightly invariable bounce & near-perfect swinging conditions.

He's never gone close to repeating it if we're honest.

Southee was also definitely superior in every way from 2012-2014.

 

[Prince EWS]

it's entirely bracewell's fault he hasn't reverted to his strengths since being dropped, it just annoys me seeing a decent bowler go the franklin route

Same, but I'd still probably advise the next generation's "third best opening bowler who scored lots of runs in junior cricket" to do the same. It's easy for us fans to appreciate someone who's going to come in once in a blue moon and be a good replacement but I find it hard to criticise Bracewell or the team management for trying to find a talented player a different role that could actually translate to the Test first XI. Southee turning into a complete joker in ODIs has changed things a bit but I don't think it was particularly foreseeable.

 

[Zinzan]

Southee was also definitely superior in every way from 2012-2014.

Yep, that was Southee's peak probably, around that SL tour.

 

[Mike5181]

I think Bracewell has a bit of a mental block when it comes to batting at international level as well, which doesn't help his case. You could find a place for him a lot easier if he was a legit 20-25 average batsman. At this point though, I see no reason why he's ahead of someone like Kuggs.

 

[Flem274*]

Same, but I'd still probably advise the next generation's "third best opening bowler who scored lots of runs in junior cricket" to do the same. It's easy for us fans to appreciate someone who's going to come in once in a blue moon and be a good replacement but I find it hard to criticise Bracewell or the team management for trying to find a talented player a different role that could actually translate to the Test first XI. Southee turning into a complete joker in ODIs has changed things a bit but I don't think it was particularly foreseeable.

absolutely, but it still annoys me watching him consciously bowl in a way that makes him less good

 

[Athlai]

Big day for Sodhi here, need him to pull this back.

 

[Flem274*]

Southee was also definitely superior in every way from 2012-2014.

and he's been doing the bare minimum to stay in the side across all 3 formats since 2015

4 years ago

 

[Fuller Pilch]

KDub and Munro need to bowl today

 

[Zinzan]

Jeez, run a ball off Sodhi looks depressingly easy for India. Perhaps needs to slow it down a bit, like the Indian spinners do.

 

[Howsie]

The more I think about it, the more Hobart was a fluke in my mind. It was just the perfect storm for Bracewell's bowling at that moment, green wicket with slightly invariable bounce & near-perfect swinging conditions.

He's never gone close to repeating it if we're honest.

Bracewell was outstanding for NZ during that 11-12 summer season, he bowled just as well against South Africa too.

He was a genuine prospect when he first broke into the team, outswing at 140k is no joke. That ACL rupture a couple of years ago probably didn't help him pace tbh. Career ender in most sports that.

 

[Athlai]

and he's been doing the bare minimum to stay in the side across all 3 formats since 2015

4 years ago

Tests
Southee 2018 29 @19.03

Get him out of the test team

 

[Howsie]

I think Bracewell has a bit of a mental block when it comes to batting at international level as well, which doesn't help his case. You could find a place for him a lot easier if he was a legit 20-25 average batsman. At this point though, I see no reason why he's ahead of someone like Kuggs.

Good mates with the likes of Williamson, Southee, Boult etc

 

[Zinzan]

Bracewell was outstanding for NZ during that 11-12 summer season, he bowled just as well against South Africa too.

He was a genuine prospect when he first broke into the team, outswing at 140k is no joke. That ACL rupture a couple of years ago probably didn't help him pace tbh. Career ender in most sports that.

When did he bowl even remotely like he did in Hobart against SA? I do NOT recall that.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Tests
Southee 2018 29 @19.03

Get him out of the test team

we've always known he can pick on banglalanka, meaningless stats

 

[Howsie]

When did he bowl even remotely like he did in Hobart against SA? I do NOT recall that.

Well he didn't take 6-40 if thats what you're getting at but you can still bowl well and not get wickets. He was miles ahead of any New Zealand bowler in that series.

 

[Flem274*]

that sa series was punishing. chris martin randomly started bowling under 130 clicks

we are just so so bad in sa