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*Official* English Football Season 2013-14
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Think it's time Arsenal fans stopped kidding yourselves that players who leave you and go to City are doing it for money.
sledger
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It's all very disappointing tbh. Yet another instance of Arsenal not handling contract negotiations particularly well it would seem. At least Arsenal probably got Sagna's best years out of him, but players with his consistency and experience are pretty invaluable, so it's a big loss.
It's between him and Cashley for the title of best Prem fullback of the last ten years imo.
It's between him and Cashley for the title of best Prem fullback of the last ten years imo.
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Presumably the latter. Think he'll play a reasonable amount though.
Cabinet96
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I just don't really get it as a career move tbh. He could have gone to so many other clubs where he would've been a regular and won things. He'll probably play enough but it will be interesting to see how City handle their CL squad. Can only have 13 non home-growns in it remember...
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Word on the street is he sees his future at CB.
Sagna was quite good, he had good seasons and bad seasons. Evra at his peak was definitely better, but it's easy to forget because he's been well short of that for some time. I seriously doubt you'll find a neutral who thinks he's better than Zabaleta and IMO Baines is comfortably ahead of Sagna too. Still makes him the second-best RB, though.
sledger
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Sagna is one of these quietly effective and solid, but unspectacular players though. Whilst other players perhaps have higher ceilings in terms of ability (and though I agree that Evra does, I'm not convinced that the same is true of Baines) I don't think anyone has matched Sagna in terms of consistency and reliability.
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Agree, Evra has been below his peak for a while and this seems to be starting to make people forget just how good he was at his peak. The thing that I don't understand is that Cashley has also been below his best for ages but people haven't forgotten how good he was yet. They both dropped off at the same time too, in fact Evra and Cashley probably had their most recent good seasons in the same season.
EDIT: I also think Evra has been one of our better players for the last couple of seasons actually as well, but that's not saying a lot especially in the case of the season just gone and he hasn't been as good as he was from 06-09.
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I definitely remember him having a very poor season, I think it was two seasons ago, when he played very badly after coming back from an injury. I'm sure if you dig back into the old threads you'll find a lot of the Arsenal fans ripping into him at various stages. This season has probably been his best and if it's his last then I think that might rose-tint the memories of him.
I think Baines is underrated generally because of who he plays for. His attacking output is obviously far greater than Sagna's. Defensively there's not much between them, with the exception of this season, before which Sagna was at least as error-prone as Baines. You can't even really say that Sagna proved himself at a higher level; the difference is little more than a series of unsuccessful Champion's League second round games.
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Yeah, I think Evra has been poor this season. Last season was his best in ages but moreso because of his bizarre run of headed goals than an actual reversal of his long-term decline. Before that he'd been dodgy for some time and I really think we left it too long to replace him.
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Hopefully it puts an end to the notion of Moyes as an "honourable man who just wasn't up to the task", when in reality he took over the champions and proceeded to tell everyone the players were actually all **** in an embarrassing effort to hide his own gross incompetency.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Bah we never should have sacked Ronnie. He would have kept us up you know. And apparently the only bet on us was one to win, in a double where he also bet on Man U to win
Now whether you want someone who thinks both those teams will win, running the team, that's another question...
Now whether you want someone who thinks both those teams will win, running the team, that's another question...
GIMH
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It was me who posted that - it was what I'd been told but it appears it was total bollocks - he'd be sitting on a lengthy ban if that was true you'd think
Not even sure there is truth in him placing a bet on us to win
Still stupid but not sure it stands up as reason for sacking. We've looked at a reason to sack him for football reasons without having to pay him off, the football for worse and now you wonder if he has a case against the club anyway
His time was probably up tbh but he would have kept us up and then we could have let him go. The cost of paying off his final year would probably be less than relegation will cost us
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Not even sure there is truth in him placing a bet on us to win
Still stupid but not sure it stands up as reason for sacking. We've looked at a reason to sack him for football reasons without having to pay him off, the football for worse and now you wonder if he has a case against the club anyway
His time was probably up tbh but he would have kept us up and then we could have let him go. The cost of paying off his final year would probably be less than relegation will cost us
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Jarquis
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Not having the Sagna slating. Far better than he's being given Credit for. One dodgy season where he had his leg broken twice is excusable. Zabaleta is better but as mentioned playing one of the two at LB is an argument which has legs, was Arsenal's fourth choice CB this year too so could do the same for City.
Baines being better in the last 10 years is pretty laughable.
Baines being better in the last 10 years is pretty laughable.