English Domestic Season 2011

[Scaly piscine]

Looking like Warwickshire are going to run out of overs to collect their 4th batting bonus point. They need another 32 runs in 3.5 overs.

Surprised they haven't picked things up a bit more. Those bonus points may turn out to be crucial as well as leaving themselves more time to win the game.

 

[fredfertang]

At last Keedy and Kerrigan have started to work their way through Hampshire - if the weather holds up it looks like we'll still be in with a decent shout for the last round of games

 

[marc71178]

Looking like Warwickshire are going to run out of overs to collect their 4th batting bonus point. They need another 32 runs in 3.5 overs.

Surprised they haven't picked things up a bit more. Those bonus points may turn out to be crucial as well as leaving themselves more time to win the game.

They were talking to Westwood on local radio last night and he said it was a bit of a struggle to get the ball away midway through yesterday and they were planning to battle through that period and cash in at the end of the day. Were doing so until the bad light ended it.

I think the key is that a win should put them in poll position before the last match and they established the best way to do that is score big at the expense of a bonus point or 2.

 

[Scaly piscine]

They can't of missed the 4th batting point by much, they were 337 after 109 overs. Bit of a waste when you end up declaring on 574-7 and the lower hits 160 runs @ 125 strike rate for one dismissal.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Anyway ex-Durham player Will Gidman closing in on 1000 runs and 50 wickets in a county season (currently has 977 runs and 45 wickets), hope he can manage it.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Down with a whimper.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Hmm Notts doing a Lancashire, having a ridiculously short batting line-up that was struggling even when it was the proper length. Would be surprised if they held out without some significant help from the weather.

 

[Pothas]

Why did Tahir have to go home would be in with a real shout if he and Briggs were both playing.

Ervine like so many finding form a little too late but we stilll have the slightest of chances, amazed it has not rained though.

 

[Furball]

Down with a whimper.

Yorkshire have really suffered as a result of Bresnan coming good at Test level - an attack of Sidebottom, Bresnan, Shazad and Rashid should be quality at First Class level.

I wouldn't be too discouraged - Yorkshire are evidently doing something right when it comes to developing their younger talent - you just need to find a couple of good local batsmen to bring along.

In the long run, you might find that a season in division 2 where the standard of opposition is lower is the best thing for your younger players to properly find their feet at First Class level.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Shehzad's been a massive disappointment though this year, and I've long stated that Rashid is never going to be good enough with one discipline to be a Test class player; he's a reasonable FC bowler and a reasonable FC bat; he's the English Steve Smith, except unlike us you've been smart enough not to play him.

 

[Furball]

Shehzad's been a massive disappointment though this year, and I've long stated that Rashid is never going to be good enough with one discipline to be a Test class player; he's a reasonable FC bowler and a reasonable FC bat; he's the English Steve Smith, except unlike us you've been smart enough not to play him.

On Shazad, that's exactly why I think relegation in the long run might not be the worst thing for Yorkshire - a season for Shazad to feast on division 2 lineups might just be what he needs to get a bit of confidence and properly kick on from being a bowler with promise to a bowler who's amongst the best in First Class cricket.

Agree with you on Rashid; my evaluation of him is based purely as a FC player for Yorkshire.

IIRC Yorkshire's finances are a bit ****ed, which prevents the hiring of a truly class overseas professional; IMO they should be sounding out Rahul Dravid who would be an invaluable player to have around the club for their younger players to learn from, and if Dravid's looking to get into coaching once his playing career finishes then Yorkshire might be a good fit for him to work on that aspect.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Sure enough Notts falling to pieces.

There are all sorts of weather warnings about Hurricane Katia turning into a winter storm and smashing the UK (particularly Scotland) from Monday onwards. Obviously there's a rather large random element with that, but it's more likely to miss Taunton/Southampton than Chester-le-Street. Wouldn't be cricket in England and September if weather didn't play a part anyways.

 

[Howe_zat]

On Shazad, that's exactly why I think relegation in the long run might not be the worst thing for Yorkshire - a season for Shazad to feast on division 2 lineups might just be what he needs to get a bit of confidence and properly kick on from being a bowler with promise to a bowler who's amongst the best in First Class cricket.

Agree with you on Rashid; my evaluation of him is based purely as a FC player for Yorkshire.

IIRC Yorkshire's finances are a bit ****ed, which prevents the hiring of a truly class overseas professional; IMO they should be sounding out Rahul Dravid who would be an invaluable player to have around the club for their younger players to learn from, and if Dravid's looking to get into coaching once his playing career finishes then Yorkshire might be a good fit for him to work on that aspect.

Yorkshire's finances are about as healthy as a strong dose of ebola. They scraped down the back of the sofa to try and find some money to get Rudolph back, and that was the last throw of the dice. They currently have no money to bid for Test matches and so have no Test money coming in. All of which made it rather grating for Warks to sign Chanderpaul solely for their title push and have him beat us twice.

The real reason we're going down is because we've so many players that simply didn't perform like they can, and the few that were performing got injured. I can only hope there's no exodus next season, because there's absolutely no reason this team shouldn't be a class apart in division two.

 

[Furball]

Yorkshire's finances are about as healthy as a strong dose of ebola. They scraped down the back of the sofa to try and find some money to get Rudolph back, and that was the last throw of the dice. They currently have no money to bid for Test matches and so have no Test money coming in. All of which made it rather grating for Warks to sign Chanderpaul solely for their title push and have him beat us twice.

The real reason we're going down is because we've so many players that simply didn't perform like they can, and the few that were performing got injured. I can only hope there's no exodus next season, because there's absolutely no reason this team shouldn't be a class apart in division two.

IIRC there's no-one from the county banging down the door for Test selection, so a year in division 2 shouldn't really matter in terms of future Test prospects. The fact that a lot of the Yorkshire side are young and local products hopefully means that there will be a degree of loyalty as well.

Thoughts on the Dravid idea (ignoring finances for a second)?

 

[Howe_zat]

IIRC there's no-one from the county banging down the door for Test selection, so a year in division 2 shouldn't really matter in terms of future Test prospects. The fact that a lot of the Yorkshire side are young and local products hopefully means that there will be a degree of loyalty as well.

Thoughts on the Dravid idea (ignoring finances for a second)?

Well it's a fine idea ignoring finances, but the fact is we can't.

Yorkshire spent a lot of money at the start of the season. Rudolph was the only major departure and that was the money we used to bring in Sidebottom. The rest went on renewing contracts for quite few young players, so I should think those - the likes of Gale, Bresnan, Bairstow et al - should stick around, considering the kind of slap in the face it would be to take the money, get relegated and leave.

There's a chance Rudolph may stay on as an overseas bat, so if there's any money left at all that's what they'll do.

 

[Jacknife]

Siddy's smashed the door down on Somerset's top order 75-5, 143 ahead with 5 wickets in hand, is there still hope?

 

[Howe_zat]

78/6! McGrath gets a wicket, Buttler no less. We've got a chance there but even if it happens we still need Sussex to finish off Worcs, which doesn't look likely.

Wait, hang on, they're 400 ahead. Declare ffs!

 

[Jacknife]

78/6! McGrath gets a wicket, Buttler no less. We've got a chance there but even if it happens we still need Sussex to finish off Worcs, which doesn't look likely.

Wait, hang on, they're 400 ahead. Declare ffs!

Yes , there 411 ahead, it only took them 70 overs to bowl them out in the first innings, get on with it Sussex.

 

[zaremba]

It's raining at Worcester.
Not sure why we've batted on for quite so long, it may be a mathematical thing that if we avoid defeat against them then we should be safe. I need to check

From the Sussex messageboard:
if Sussex can gain a minimum of 10 points from this Worcester game (ie. a draw) - even if Yorkshire beat Somerset and Hampshire draw their Lancashire match and win their last against Warwickshire with maximum 24 points, Sussex only need 3 points against Notts in their last game to stay up.
Therefore, I plead to Yardy not to take any risks and don't declare unless we have at least 450 on the board. It is not necessary. A draw and 10 points from this match should be adequate to keep us up unless the Notts game is abandoned to rain from the first day.

 

[Jarquis]

Yorkshire have really suffered as a result of Bresnan coming good at Test level - an attack of Sidebottom, Bresnan, Shazad and Rashid should be quality at First Class level..

Except Shahzad and Rashid have thrown utter pies..