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*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
GingerFurball said:
During Shearer's "world class" phase with Blackburn he couldn't hit a barn door with England and made little to no impact on Europe.

Great Premiership striker who IMO never proved himself at the highest level, for club or country.
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Did you actually see Shearer in his prime?

If you think about it; what's more remarkable about Shearer's scoring rate in Newcastle, for instance, is that he didn't really have a great midfield behind him. If he had moved to United when they came calling I think this would be even less of a debate than it already is.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Ikki said:
Did you actually see Shearer in his prime?

If you think about it; what's more remarkable about Shearer's scoring rate in Newcastle, for instance, is that he didn't really have a great midfield behind him. If he had moved to United when they came calling I think this would be even less of a debate than it already is.
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What's going on Ikki? First you say I make a good point. Then, when I've used numbers to make an argument, you use the 'watched him play' routine. Pretty scared tbh :ph34r:
 
Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
GeraintIsMyHero said:
What's going on Ikki? First you say I make a good point. Then, when I've used numbers to make an argument, you use the 'watched him play' routine. Pretty scared tbh :ph34r:
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:laugh:

Seriously, all it takes is a gander at his stats to know he is one of the best of all-time. But if you're not buying them then you have to watch him play; he's one of those rare players who was born to put the ball into the net.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
If you're a centre forward in the Shearer mould, your numbers will do just fine for me

It's why Aldo is the king, did very little in a lot of games, put the ball in the net though :wub:
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, had a shocking start for them, though finished with 19 in 69, which isn't awful. He always played a different role for them than he did for every club he played for.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
GeraintIsMyHero said:
He scored 30 goals in 63 internationals, that's hardly failing for his country, is it?

He of course did go through a period of about 15 games without scoring for England. This, IMO, makes you realise just how effective he was the rest of the time for England. And this period saw England only playing friendlies. He was top scorer in Euro 96 with five goals in five games, and scored 9 goals in 12 games at EC/WC overall. So, DWTA
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This phase was right in the middle of his epic streak for Blackburn.

The Premiership in the early to mid 90s was much easier to score in than it was from about 2000 onwards.

Shearer's Blackburn peak also saw epic international failures like Andy Cole, Robbie Fowler, Ian Wright and Matt Le Tissier hit in excess of 20 goals a season. I'm taking nothing away from Shearer, he was a terrific striker, however IMO scoring 25+ goals post 2000 is a greater achievement than doing it in the early-mid 90s.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
marc71178 said:
I'd argue that he was only truly class when he played up front, and not in a right midfield role, so would therefore have no hesitation in putting Beckham in there in that position.
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Yeah that's fair and I'd thought of that - the hype around Ronaldo's "42 goals from midfield" was of course tosh as he was playing very much as an attacker. Despite that he was rarely playing as an out-and-out centre forward even at his most prolific and was more often found on the right of a pretty fluid and interchangeable front three. I'd be happy enough for this team to select him on the right wing, but in a more advanced role than Becks would play.
 
fredfertang

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BoyBrumby said:

From the BBC.

Ungrateful ****s. Bloke's worked absolute wonders down there while the club collapses around him. Deserve all they get. :@
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Couldn't agree more - the way he's maintained his loyalty and dignity amongst all the crap has been extraordinary

Can't see a bloke of his integrity being short of offers of employment - Tranmere perhaps?
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
fredfertang said:
Couldn't agree more - the way he's maintained his loyalty and dignity amongst all the crap has been extraordinary

Can't see a bloke of his integrity being short of offers of employment - Tranmere perhaps?
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They could do an awful lot worse. Although one suspects Hart could probably do better too. :ph34r:
 
Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
GingerFurball said:
This phase was right in the middle of his epic streak for Blackburn.

The Premiership in the early to mid 90s was much easier to score in than it was from about 2000 onwards.

Shearer's Blackburn peak also saw epic international failures like Andy Cole, Robbie Fowler, Ian Wright and Matt Le Tissier hit in excess of 20 goals a season. I'm taking nothing away from Shearer, he was a terrific striker, however IMO scoring 25+ goals post 2000 is a greater achievement than doing it in the early-mid 90s.
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Even from 2000 onwards a post-injury Shearer keeps a goal-every-other-game-ratio. And still scores 20+ goals a season. From age 30-36. With Newcastle.
 
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sledger

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Ikki said:
I gotta agree with Uppercut there. Pires was the best player in the league at his peak and he didn't get the award for nostalgic reasons. Whilst Giggs has always been class, I don't think he ever was the single biggest reason for United winning a league or being the best player over a season. One of those players who was top class for a long time, rather than unbelievably good.
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I'd agree and go one step further, not only was he the best player in the league, he was the best player in his position in the world at one stage, albeit a relatively short one.
 
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