Great Dhoni

[funnygirl]

To guys defending Dhoni ,he is supposed to be the best choice of test captaincy and taking break from ''test series '' . Certainly not a smart move .I like Dhoni ,but that decision disappointed me .

 

[pup11]

Why should i bet? Let him go to purgatory or panama canal on his dingy. That's his business.

Dude that was supposed to be a joke, i guess you didn't get it, btw let me know when ladbroke start taking bets for "whether Symonds goes fishing before a game or not".

 

[Precambrian]

Now how ****ing lame is that, dude seriously due you even know why Tait and Clarke took time-off.
Tait had some serious stress related physical and mental problems, when he decided to walk away from all forms of the game till he felt better and fit enough to start playing cricket again. When he decided to to retire indefinitely, he didn't knew when he would he be able to play the again or would he be able to ever play at all, now how many people do really have the courage to except that they have a problem, and walk away from the lure of all the money there is in the game, so i really respect him for that.

As far Clarke's problems are concerned, his father had cancer and his fiance' father died of cancer, so you think somebody should just leave their family alone in such a hard time, for the sake of just a game, then in my humble opinion you should think again, and btw Clarke even decided to skip IPL due to this, so i hope from the next time you say such stuff, you do some research about who or what you are writing about.

I take offence at you using words like ****ing lame etc.

And regarding Tait, yes, that's exactly what i posted, in a more informal manner. He could not bear the stress. So he took off. And when that happens people praise him for 'talking up'. When Dhoni took off from a tour due to sheer exhaustion, his 'commitment' is questioned, and test vice captaincy is questioned.

Mate, i know about Clarke's case. And i sympathise with him. I posted his case jus to elicit this reaction from you. He wanted to be with his family at an important time. I agree with that. Because we are all human beings and we need to take care of our dear and loved ones. Absolutely spot on. However in order to do all this, first shouldn't we take care of ourselves? our own well being? health? That's exactly Dhoni did. He is a human after all and couldn't go on for ever without rest, so he took a break. It jus happened to be a test tour. And yet some have the fickle mindedness to question his commitment. I pity them.

 

[Precambrian]

Dude that was supposed to be a joke, i guess you didn't get it, btw let me know when ladbroke start taking bets for "whether Symonds goes fishing before a game or not".

Ah, it's banned here you know.

 

[pup11]

@ Pnottah, Mate do you seriously understand what problem Tait went through, he was having mental stress related problems, and he took professional help for that and if he would have continued playing with that problem his own health would have got worse, and he could have gone the Trescothick route, he decided to take a break so that he can fix himself, putting aside the lure of the money, so that's a big deal as he was not going on a short vacation or anything.
I had nothing against you thinking that Dhoni needed a break, which i think he did, but the Odi's were the right time to do it, test matches are considered the most premiere form of the game by every serious cricketer, so an international cricketer shouldn't miss out on playing test cricket when is fit.

 

[pup11]

Ah, it's banned here you know.

Yeah i know, it was just a lame joke.

 

[Precambrian]

@ Pnottah, Mate do you seriously understand what problem Tait went through, he was having mental stress related problems, and he took professional help for that and if he would have continued playing with that problem his own health would have got worse, and he could have gone the Trescothick route, he decided to take a break so that he can fix himself, putting aside the lure of the money, so that's a big deal as he was not going on a short vacation or anything.
I had nothing against you thinking that Dhoni needed a break, which i think he did, but the Odi's were the right time to do it, test matches are considered the most premiere form of the game by every serious cricketer, so an international cricketer shouldn't miss out on playing test cricket when is fit.

Dhoni was complaining that he was suffering from fatigue during Asia cup itself. So it is clear he was not 100 per cent fit at the end of the series and could not continue any longer, without taking a break.

 

[ret]

If he desperately needed a break, he should have taken an ODI series off. Simple as. I don't care if he's captain or how easily he's replaced.

and i guess thats assuming that after the Asia Cup, he still had enough gas in the tank to be able to chose which series to skip

so it's probably like 'I m burnt out but still I will play and burn myself more or may be even pick up an injury just becasue some guy thinks that i should be playing tests despite India having guys like Karthik'

thank you

 

[Precambrian]

As to Tait, if he had all there psycho-thing earlier before the Perth match, then it was seriously terrible of him to offer himself for selection for that match. Not only he did great disservice to himself, but also to his team by not giving 100 per cent. I think that's far worse than not showing up at all.

 

[Richard]

I must say I do think there's a little unfair criticism of Dhoni from some parts. Time was that players used to miss Test series, not regularly, but more than once in a career, just because they weren't feeling completely up to playing in it. And we're talking about in a time when international cricket was far, far less intensive than it is now.

Dhoni taking a Test series off rather than a ODI series might be a little bit disappointing, but frankly if someone took a complete 3-month break from cricket at the current time (and I don't mean missing-out on massive bucks in the IPL - it's basic common-sense that the greater the reward, the more you push yourself to reach it and care less about exhaustion) I'd not find it either terribly surprising or much wrong with.

It was noted during Trescothick's problems that the only remarkable thing about it was that there had not been far more cases like his. To describe him and Tait as "weak" minded is deeply unfair on them, and it'd probably be more fair to describe most people as remarkably strong of mind that such a thing has not happened to them.

 

[NUFAN]

Now how ****ing lame is that, dude seriously due you even know why Tait and Clarke took time-off.
Tait had some serious stress related physical and mental problems, when he decided to walk away from all forms of the game till he felt better and fit enough to start playing cricket again. When he decided to to retire indefinitely, he didn't knew when he would he be able to play the again or would he be able to ever play at all, now how many people do really have the courage to except that they have a problem, and walk away from the lure of all the money there is in the game, so i really respect him for that.

As far Clarke's problems are concerned, his father had cancer and his fiance' father died of cancer, so you think somebody should just leave their family alone in such a hard time, for the sake of just a game, then in my humble opinion you should think again, and btw Clarke even decided to skip IPL due to this, so i hope from the next time you say such stuff, you do some research about who or what you are writing about.

Well done, I agree exactly with this.

 

[pup11]

I must say I do think there's a little unfair criticism of Dhoni from some parts. Time was that players used to miss Test series, not regularly, but more than once in a career, just because they weren't feeling completely up to playing in it. And we're talking about in a time when international cricket was far, far less intensive than it is now.

Dhoni taking a Test series off rather than a ODI series might be a little bit disappointing, but frankly if someone took a complete 3-month break from cricket at the current time (and I don't mean missing-out on massive bucks in the IPL - it's basic common-sense that the greater the reward, the more you push yourself to reach it and care less about exhaustion) I'd not find it either terribly surprising or much wrong with.

It was noted during Trescothick's problems that the only remarkable thing about it was that there had not been far more cases like his. To describe him and Tait as "weak" minded is deeply unfair on them, and it'd probably be more fair to describe most people as remarkably strong of mind that such a thing has not happened to them.

Exactly, and that's why i think Pnottah' comments were extremly harsh and insensitive towards Tait.

 

[Precambrian]

I don't find anything in my comments harsh or insensitive more than what was in those about Dhoni.

Those who argue that Tait had a valid reason to take off from international cricket have no grounding to say anything on Dhoni's break from the test series. That's all i wanted to say.

 

[ret]

I can't believe that so many are complaining cause Dhoni took a break .... I guess it would have been ok if his neighbor's friend's cousin had been sick

 

[pup11]

I don't find anything in my comments harsh or insensitive more than what was in those about Dhoni.

Those who argue that Tait had a valid reason to take off from international cricket have no grounding to say anything on Dhoni's break from the test series. That's all i wanted to say.

Look dude nobody is saying Dhoni shouldn't have had a break, its that everybody are saying missing the Odi's ahead of Tests would have been a better choice, but he made his choice and that's history now.
But you suggesting that Tait had no real valid reason to retire from cricket just proves how unaware you are about what really was the problem with him.

 

[SJS]

What reduces so many debates to ludicrous levels is people painting themselves in such strong black and white corners.

So either Dhoni is God who cant do any wrong and is the greatest thing India has had since Mahatama Gandhi OR he cant do any good and must be trampled to the pavement stones for the very act of breathing.

If we just removed those thick coats of black and white from ourselves we would be so much better able to appreciate him as a cricketer and as a person.

He is not a great keeper, he is not a great batsman AND he is perfectly entitled to taking a break when HIS body tells him he needs one and he does not have to follow any 'norms' (as if any such existed) set by others as and when they did or did not take THEIR breaks.

 

[Prince EWS]

I must say I do think there's a little unfair criticism of Dhoni from some parts. Time was that players used to miss Test series, not regularly, but more than once in a career, just because they weren't feeling completely up to playing in it. And we're talking about in a time when international cricket was far, far less intensive than it is now

Yeah, and that is fine. I don't have an issue with a player taking a rest when he needs one, but the fact is he had just played two consecutive ODI series. If he wanted a break from cricket, it should have been then, IMO. He's perfectly entitled to take a break whenever he wants but I'm perfectly entitled to think less of him as a potential Test captain if he chooses to play a whole heap of ODIs and then skip a Test series. AFAIC it was a ridiculous set of circumstances which sends the exact message I fear the most.

 

[Prince EWS]

and i guess thats assuming that after the Asia Cup, he still had enough gas in the tank to be able to chose which series to skip

so it's probably like 'I m burnt out but still I will play and burn myself more or may be even pick up an injury just becasue some guy thinks that i should be playing tests despite India having guys like Karthik'

thank you

He shouldn't have been burnt out when the time came, though. If he knew he was going to have problems playing so much cricket, he should have skipped the Kitply Cup.

 

[SJS]

Yeah, and that is fine. I don't have an issue with a player taking a rest when he needs one, but the fact is he had just played two consecutive ODI series. If he wanted a break from cricket, it should have been then, IMO. He's perfectly entitled to take a break whenever he wants but I'm perfectly entitled to think less of him as a potential Test captain if he chooses to play a whole heap of ODIs and then skip a Test series. AFAIC it was a ridiculous set of circumstances which sends the exact message I fear the most.

I may be completely wrong but I get a feeling that Dhoni is the quintessential "21st century cricketer'. He sees the game for where he thinks it is headed - with limited overs and now T-20 (and the big bucks) being the flavour of the times.

His personal stakes (financially) are huge and knows that its the shorter version that drives and fires the majorities imagination back home in India where it matters where he is concerned.

I think he is smart and shrewd and all his words and actions will show that this is the way he thinks.

He is unlike the Tendulkars, Dravids, Laras and Pontings who consider/considered that the real game was the longer version.

As I said I could be wrong (and I do hope I am) but I have a funny feeling that I am not.

 

[Prince EWS]

I may be completely wrong but I get a feeling that Dhoni is the quintessential "21st century cricketer'. He sees the game for where he thinks it is headed - with limited overs and now T-20 (and the big bucks) being the flavour of the times.

His personal stakes (financially) are huge and knows that its the shorter version that drives and fires the majorities imagination back home in India where it matters where he is concerned.

I think he is smart and shrewd and all his words and actions will show that this is the way he thinks.

He is unlike the Tendulkars, Dravids, Laras and Pontings who consider/considered that the real game was the longer version.

As I said I could be wrong (and I do hope I am) but I have a funny feeling that I am not.

I agree, and that was precisely my point. I wouldn't want such a cricketer captaining my Test team.