Great Dhoni

[NUFAN]

How would anyone [except may be Nostradamus] have guessed that Karthik was going to perform so badly? infact, it was a good opportunity for Karthik to shine

2ndly, Ind had Parthiv in the reserve and it was bad captaincy by Kumble to persist with Karthik in the 2nd test even after finding out that he was not in the best of form. And as we saw in the series playing out-of-form guys was a norm in that series

Yes, Dhoni was missed but it would have been difficult to say then that would be the case. It's taken that Dhoni is a better keeper than Karthik but such bad performance by Karthik was unimaginable. and it's better to take a break when you feel that you need a break then play series after series without being 100%

It's easy to rant with the benefit of hindsight. In my book, Dhoni did the right thing by not going if he felt that he needed a break .... taking a break when you think you need it rather than continuing like a ass doesn't disqualify anyone from test captaincy

Oh dear.. Too many people are caring about ODIs more then Tests, such a shame.

If I was an Indian supporter/player I wouldn't be inspired by the choice of Dhoni as captain after he's had the chance to represent his country in 3 Test matches and he's chosen to rest.

 

[ret]

Oh dear.. Too many people are caring about ODIs more then Tests, such a shame.

If I was an Indian supporter/player I wouldn't be inspired by the choice of Dhoni as captain after he's had the chance to represent his country in 3 Test matches and he's chosen to rest.

I have no problems with people thinking that test cricket is the ultimate game but trying to shove that belief downs everyone's throat is pathetic

If you knew what test cricket is about then you would know that it's better to take a break from it when you are not at 100% than from ODIs

 

[Precambrian]

Another possibility will be to make Sehwag captain of Test team and drop Dhoni from test team altogether. That will be ridiculous considering Dhoni justifies his place in the team as a keeper alone.

 

[sanga1337]

Sorry it was worded clearly at all.

I'm just asking why on earth would you make Dhoni captain of the Test side for the reasons I've mentioned previously.

I don't. I was just stating some of the reasons why he is more valuble in Odi's than in tests and that included being the Odi captain. I never said I wanted him to be captain of the test team

 

[SJS]

You can go out of touch in keeping more than any other aspect of the game. I dont know if Karthik was practicing his keeping while in the squad as a batsman. You can also have a bad patch. If a batsman is out of form he makes a mistake and gets out. A keeper just stays and may keep looking worse.

Karthik is too good a keeper to lose it completely. His basics are sound unlike someone like Parthiv Patel who is not a natural keeper. The problem is, Dhoni is not going to give up keeping. He is too smart not to realise that it sees him through even when he is not doing well with the bat.

When Karthik started playing purely as a batsman, I knew his days are numbered for his real talent is as a first class wicket keeper.

 

[NUFAN]

I don't. I was just stating some of the reasons why he is more valuble in Odi's than in tests and that included being the Odi captain. I never said I wanted him to be captain of the test team

Look at post 22:

However anyone who takes a break from test cricket to play ODI cricket doesn't really deserve to captain the test side imo.

Exactly.

 

[pup11]

Oh dear.. Too many people are caring about ODIs more then Tests, such a shame.

If I was an Indian supporter/player I wouldn't be inspired by the choice of Dhoni as captain after he's had the chance to represent his country in 3 Test matches and he's chosen to rest.

Probably Dhoni knew what Mendis had in store for the test matches, so he wisely decided to skip the test's and comeback for the Odi's.
But on a more serious note why couldn't Dhoni just take a break when the IPL was going on, if he wanted a break so bad, missing out playing for a franchise would have been a lot wiser thing to do rather than missing out playing for one's country.

 

[ret]

Another possibility will be to make Sehwag captain of Test team and drop Dhoni from test team altogether. That will be ridiculous considering Dhoni justifies his place in the team as a keeper alone.

Sehwag has the test captain is not a bad idea at all

though the thing would be that in ODIs, Sehwag would play under Dhoni and in tests, Dhoni under Sehwag .... Now I don't recall such a thing happening in the past but that might be something that could be tried as may be that would keep both of them on their toes

 

[Precambrian]

Probably Dhoni knew what Mendis had in store for the test matches, so he wisely decided to skip the test's and comeback for the Odi's.
But on a more serious note why couldn't Dhoni just take a break when the IPL was going on, if he wanted a break so bad, missing out playing for a franchise would have been a lot wiser thing to do rather than missing out playing for one's country.

Funny Andrew Symonds didn't go fishing during IPL.

 

[ret]

But on a more serious note why couldn't Dhoni just take a break when the IPL was going on, if he wanted a break so bad, missing out playing for a franchise would have been a lot wiser thing to do rather than missing out playing for one's country.

the point is he probably realized that he needed a break during the Asia Cup

it's not like he had a break schedule planned out and selected the test series against SL. I m sure that if he thought that he could give his 100%, he would have played in that series

after the test and CB series in Australia, the test series against RSA, the IPL, the BD-tri-series, the Asia cup, its not difficult to see why he needed a break

 

[ret]

Funny Andrew Symonds didn't go fishing during IPL.

^

even funnier thing is that how some ppl think that he should have taken a break at this point or at that point as if everyone has a break schedule in mind. some of the things posted here would make the kids in kindergarten proud

 

[NUFAN]

I have no problems with people thinking that test cricket is the ultimate game but trying to shove that belief downs everyone's throat is pathetic

If you knew what test cricket is about then you would know that it's better to take a break from it when you are not at 100% than from ODIs

Settle down, I would hardly call "such a shame" as shoving it down everyone's throats..

The last paragraph is just bizarre, he played so many meaningless matches in which he could have rested, the test series was important.

 

[ret]

Settle down, I would hardly call "such a shame" as shoving it down everyone's throats..

The last paragraph is just bizarre, he played so many meaningless matches in which he could have rested, the test series was important.

Just like you sleep when you feel sleepy, you take a break when your body tells you to take a break

Full credit to Dhoni for not making himself available when he thought that he could not give his 100%. I would hate if someone represented his country despite not being in the position to give 100% on field .... and being the ODI captain, he did the right thing by coming back and taking responsibility and not taking a break from the whole SL series which i guess he would have ideally liked to do!!!

 

[Precambrian]

Settle down, I would hardly call "such a shame" as shoving it down everyone's throats..

The last paragraph is just bizarre, he played so many meaningless matches in which he could have rested, the test series was important.

He was mentally exhausted. Break from one or two 'meaningless ODIs' would hardly give him that. I would hazard a guess that if he had known that the Champions trophy won't be taking place, he'd have gone ahead and played the Test series.

 

[Precambrian]

And why only Dhoni's being singled out? If anyone out there earned a break from test or one day cricket in international cricket, it is Dhoni. As i indicated in my earlier post, since World cup, or even before it, he has played non stop cricket more than anyone in the world as per Cricinfo.

Contrast with Tait, who chickened away from international cricket stating stress after playing pathetically in one test, as per the logic going around here, he should never be considered for test cricket again, since he's proved incapable of handling the slightest amount of international pressure? Or take Clarke, who took off stating some family reason, fiance's dad's bad health. I understand the situation, but seriously a reason valid to pull out from a test tour? I am not to judge. So as compared to all this what Dhoni did look more 'legitimate'.

 

[ret]

And it's not Dhoni's fault that the much-talked about Karthik didn't deliver

I m sure there were many who thought that Karthik would be a better pick in Tests than Dhoni

May be it's more like some are frustrated with Ind's bad performance in tests and are seeing Karthik as the scape goat and then Dhoni, whose unavailability brought Karthik in .... really, it's the dumbasses like Kumble, Dravid and Ganguly, who should be for continuing despite being nowhere near their best rather than blaming someone who skipped because he thought he cannot give his best

 

[pup11]

Funny Andrew Symonds didn't go fishing during IPL.

Oh you can bet your last buck, that he would have tried his best.

 

[pup11]

And why only Dhoni's being singled out? If anyone out there earned a break from test or one day cricket in international cricket, it is Dhoni. As i indicated in my earlier post, since World cup, or even before it, he has played non stop cricket more than anyone in the world as per Cricinfo.

Contrast with Tait, who chickened away from international cricket stating stress after playing pathetically in one test, as per the logic going around here, he should never be considered for test cricket again, since he's proved incapable of handling the slightest amount of international pressure? Or take Clarke, who took off stating some family reason, fiance's dad's bad health. I understand the situation, but seriously a reason valid to pull out from a test tour? I am not to judge. So as compared to all this what Dhoni did look more 'legitimate'.

Now how ****ing lame is that, dude seriously due you even know why Tait and Clarke took time-off.
Tait had some serious stress related physical and mental problems, when he decided to walk away from all forms of the game till he felt better and fit enough to start playing cricket again. When he decided to to retire indefinitely, he didn't knew when he would he be able to play the again or would he be able to ever play at all, now how many people do really have the courage to except that they have a problem, and walk away from the lure of all the money there is in the game, so i really respect him for that.

As far Clarke's problems are concerned, his father had cancer and his fiance' father died of cancer, so you think somebody should just leave their family alone in such a hard time, for the sake of just a game, then in my humble opinion you should think again, and btw Clarke even decided to skip IPL due to this, so i hope from the next time you say such stuff, you do some research about who or what you are writing about.

 

[Precambrian]

Oh you can bet your last buck, that he would have tried his best.

Why should i bet? Let him go to purgatory or panama canal on his dingy. That's his business.

 

[Prince EWS]

Huh? Give him a thought guys, the guy's been playing non-stop cricket, both test cricket and one day for 18 months, ever since world cup 07. None in World cricket, according to Cricinfo had to bear such a load for such a long time, don't forget that he led the one day side to Australia and SA for the twenty twenty also. In an age, where players like Tait etc, claim break down just because of pressure, and hardly any international cricket, this guy has been playing in a gruelling schedule under the highest pressure imaginable in international cricket. And he wisely chose himself rest from the test series because he knew he'll be missed relatively least there, due to presence of the big 4 and him not been captain. And he needed to come back refreshed for the one day game, the champions trophy (at that point a surety) and the most important Australian series, followed by England series. This was the right time to take a break, as he would be assured of back up in batting by the seniors. Who knows whether the seniors would be there for the remainin series?

If he desperately needed a break, he should have taken an ODI series off. Simple as. I don't care if he's captain or how easily he's replaced.