Who is a better batsman Martyn or Chanderpaul?

[Sanz]

Martyn, by a fair sort of a margin in fact. The only players who are better than Martyn in the world currently are Dravid, Ponting, Kallis and Lara. And if Tendulkar ever gets back to his best, him too.

Chanderpaul is a good batsman, but he's a fair way off that sort of group.

Clearly no bias there.

 

[Sanz]

Since so much importance is given to current form and some people are selectively quoting stats to suit their arguments. Some have even gone this far to claim that on current form Martyn is a better batsman than Tendulkar, let me tell you this ein last 5 matches Tendy averages more than Martyn.

Not to forget that Tendy is at worst phase of his career, battling an injury and martyn at his best stil Tendy beats Martyn.

As for Sehwag, Sehwag averages more than Martyn, Sehwag gets to play the best attack in the world (australia), martyn doesn't. Sehwag averages more against SA, Pak, WI, Zim, Martyn avgs more against Eng & NZ.(Sehwag 6, Martyn 2)

Sehwag averages more in Aus, Ind, SA Martyn averages more in Eng, NZ (Sehwag 9, Martyn 4)

Sehwag averages more at home, Martyn more at away (Sehwag, 9, Martyn 5)

Sehwag averages more in 2003, 2004, 2005 Martyn averages more in 2001, 2002. (Sehwag 12, Martyn 7)

Hats off to the person, who says MArtyn is better than Sehwag. :Laugh:

 

[vic_orthdox]

Back then, Lara was dodgy against spin

 

[age_master]

Hats off to the person, who says MArtyn is better than Sehwag. :Laugh:

different types of player also...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Clearly no bias there.

Bias has nothing to do with it. Martyn's performances last year in the subcontinent speak for themselves, as do Ponting's in the period since the 2001 Ashes.

It may shock you to realise this, but Australia do actually have some pretty decent players... it's part of the reason they don't lose very often. Pointing out that said players are rather good does not automatically equate to pro-Australian bias, any more than saying that Dravid, Tendulkar and Sehwag are very good players shows pro-India bias.

Dravid is the best test batsman in the world, as things currently stand. Martyn is in the top five, in my opinion. Tendulkar's performances over the last couple of seasons don't put him in that group. Yes, he is a very good player still, and yes he has still maintained a credible record during his slump, but as things stand he's clearly not as valuable as someone like a Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Kallis or Martyn.

 

[cricket player]

Bias has nothing to do with it. Martyn's performances last year in the subcontinent speak for themselves, as do Ponting's in the period since the 2001 Ashes.

It may shock you to realise this, but Australia do actually have some pretty decent players... it's part of the reason they don't lose very often. Pointing out that said players are rather good does not automatically equate to pro-Australian bias, any more than saying that Dravid, Tendulkar and Sehwag are very good players shows pro-India bias.

Dravid is the best test batsman in the world, as things currently stand. Martyn is in the top five, in my opinion. Tendulkar's performances over the last couple of seasons don't put him in that group. Yes, he is a very good player still, and yes he has still maintained a credible record during his slump, but as things stand he's clearly not as valuable as someone like a Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Kallis or Martyn.

What so special performing well in Sub_continent in flat pitches

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

What so special performing well in Sub_continent in flat pitches

The situations he did it in, and the consistency with which he has performed? Besides, they weren't flat pitches for the most part... facing Murali, Kumble and Harbhajan on dust bowls isn't easy, especially for a player who grew up on the WACA.

 

[cricket player]

The situations he did it in, and the consistency with which he has performed? Besides, they weren't flat pitches for the most part... facing Murali, Kumble and Harbhajan on dust bowls isn't easy, especially for a player who grew up on the WACA.

I believe Chanderpaul has a good record in Sub_continent as well.
What is your regards on that?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I believe Chanderpaul has a good record in Sub_continent as well.
What is your regards on that?

Chanderpaul is a very good player? I never said he was crap, just that I thought Martyn was better. The value of Martyn's performances last year can't be measured by runs alone anyway, he scored when it was most needed and saved or won matches for Australia each time he did so.

Anyway, Chanderpaul has only played 7 tests in the subcontinent. He had a good tour of India, and a poor tour of Pakistan. Not much to go by, really.

 

[Sanz]

Bias has nothing to do with it. Martyn's performances last year in the subcontinent speak for themselves, as do Ponting's in the period since the 2001 Ashes.

It may shock you to realise this, but Australia do actually have some pretty decent players... it's part of the reason they don't lose very often. Pointing out that said players are rather good does not automatically equate to pro-Australian bias, any more than saying that Dravid, Tendulkar and Sehwag are very good players shows pro-India bias.

Dravid is the best test batsman in the world, as things currently stand. Martyn is in the top five, in my opinion. Tendulkar's performances over the last couple of seasons don't put him in that group. Yes, he is a very good player still, and yes he has still maintained a credible record during his slump, but as things stand he's clearly not as valuable as someone like a Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Kallis or Martyn.

Nonsense. Remind me the no. of Seasons Martyn went on without passin 3 figure mark ??

You may give his century a lot of value, I dont because he was batting against a team which had effectively only ONE Bowler, infact in that series it was Lehman whose batting counted more than Martyn's. In Mumbai test the difference between the Class of Tendulkar and Martyn was evident.

You are giving too much credit to Martyn for Australia's win in India, in the first test that Aus won, Martyn Contribution was massive 3 & 45. And trust me Australia were lucky that they didn't get turning tracks in Nagpur. Because we saw what happened in Mumbai. Although it is beside the point but the series could have been 2 all had the Rain gods not intervened in Chennai.

And I do know the Quality of Aussie batsmen and love to watch Martyn, but dont tell me that Martyn is in the same class as SRT, BLC, RD etc. Not in this life time.

 

[Sanz]

Chanderpaul is a very good player? I never said he was crap, just that I thought Martyn was better. The value of Martyn's performances last year can't be measured by runs alone anyway, he scored when it was most needed and saved or won matches for Australia each time he did so.

Anyway, Chanderpaul has only played 7 tests in the subcontinent. He had a good tour of India, and a poor tour of Pakistan. Not much to go by, really.

You discount Chander's performance on subcontineny because he has played only 7 tests there, yet classify Martyn in the league of Dravid, Kallis, BLC just on the basis of his performance in 1-2 seasons especially when that this same Martyn who didn't score a century for more than 2 years.

 

[honestbharani]

I think playing in India against the spinners during Feb/March/April is a lot lot harder than playing them in sep/oct. You obviously cannot hold it against Martyn too much because he is not in charge of the scheduling or anything, but it is a fact. Tracks get better for spinners during the peak summer season, after it has had a lot of cricket on it. That is a fact.

 

[cricket player]

I think playing in India against the spinners during Feb/March/April is a lot lot harder than playing them in sep/oct. You obviously cannot hold it against Martyn too much because he is not in charge of the scheduling or anything, but it is a fact. Tracks get better for spinners during the peak summer season, after it has had a lot of cricket on it. That is a fact.

Personally I dont consider the pitch as an importent factor on how good the batsman is If you know what I mean.

Although I do take the bowlers they face into the consideration.

 

[Sanz]

The situations he did it in, and the consistency with which he has performed? Besides, they weren't flat pitches for the most part... facing Murali, Kumble and Harbhajan on dust bowls isn't easy, especially for a player who grew up on the WACA.

Did you really watch the India-Aus matches ?? Are you saying that Banglore,Chennai, Nagpur pitches were dustbowls ??

And In Sri Lanka, every tom and jerry was scoring a century, such was their attack. Lehman, Martyn, Gilchrist, Hayden,Langer all scored centuries, Lehman scored more than Martyn, yet I dont understand how Martyn can be given the credit for Aussie victory. Has it ever occured to you that it was the aussie bowlers(SKW) who bowled much better this time than they did in the past.

As for Martyn growing up in the WACA, doesn't impress me much, yes he grew up in WACA, so ?? Tendy grew up in Mumbai, should he be declared a better batsman than Bradman just because he scored a century at Perth ?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Did you really watch the India-Aus matches ?? Are you saying that Banglore,Chennai, Nagpur pitches were dustbowls ??

And In Sri Lanka, every tom and jerry was scoring a century, such was their attack. Lehman, Martyn, Gilchrist, Hayden,Langer all scored centuries, Lehman scored more than Martyn, yet I dont understand how Martyn can be given the credit for Aussie victory. Has it ever occured to you that it was the aussie bowlers(SKW) who bowled much better this time than they did in the past.

As for Martyn growing up in the WACA, doesn't impress me much, yes he grew up in WACA, so ?? Tendy grew up in Mumbai, should he be declared a better batsman than Bradman just because he scored a century at Perth ?

Chennai and Nagpur weren't dustbowls obviously, although Chennai turned a bit. Bangalore was pretty much a dustbowl towards the end of the match, and turned quite a lot the whole way through. All three wickets in Sri Lanka were dustbowls. Martyn's effort in the second test in India was absolutely heroic and brilliant under the circumstances, and is a clear example of an innings that saved Australia from defeat. Both of Martyn's centuries in Sri Lanka had a big hand in turning matches around for Australia. Yes, other batsmen scored as well, and in the first test he just followed Hayden's lead, but he was brilliant in the second when everyone else struggled aside from Gilchrist. His good performances in Sri Lanka set the scene for a man of the series effort in India, leading Australia to victory there for the first time in decades.

Chanderpaul is a very good batsman, but when he (as Lara has) taken apart a quality bowling attack in difficult conditions to lead the West Indies to victory? Part of it might come from playing in a weaker side, but his achievements don't stack up compared to Martyn's in recent times, and if you head further back into his career Chanderpaul wasn't as successful as he is now. As I have said, I think Chanderpaul is vastly underrated and put him inside the top 10 or so batsmen in the world today, but if I was to pick a world XI currently, Martyn would miss out on a middle order slot by one or two batsmen only.

And with regards to your last point, I actually do think Tendulkar's achivement in scoring a century at Perth was a very significant one indeed. It is obviously easier for someone like Martyn to score a hundred on a hard, bouncy fast bowler's wicket when that is what he is used to than on a subcontinent turner. No, it doesn't make him better than Bradman, but it should be taken into account somewhat when discussing the value of the innings...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

And I do know the Quality of Aussie batsmen and love to watch Martyn, but dont tell me that Martyn is in the same class as SRT, BLC, RD etc. Not in this life time.

I never said he was in the same class as Sachin or Lara, did I? What I said, was that currently, based on form and recent performances, Martyn is among the top 5 most valuable batsmen in the world. Clearly if you take their whole careers into account Sachin leaves him for dead, but in recent times Sachin has been relatively out of form and tends to get out for next to nothing a lot of the time, while Martyn has been hitting match-winning centuries left and right and was one of the best batsmen in the world last year.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

You discount Chander's performance on subcontineny because he has played only 7 tests there, yet classify Martyn in the league of Dravid, Kallis, BLC just on the basis of his performance in 1-2 seasons especially when that this same Martyn who didn't score a century for more than 2 years.

All I was saying was that I didn't think Chanderpaul's record in the subcontinent was particularly remarkable, but perhaps that was because he had not played there much. I was not trying to discount any sort of great performance on his behalf.

And, once again, I am not saying Martyn is an all-time great (at least not yet) or anything of the sort, merely that he is one of the best and most valuable batsmen in the world on current form.

 

[cricket player]

Ok ok That enough I agree that Martyn is better then chanderpaul.

 

[Dydl]

I can't really say who I think is better, as I haven't seen Chanderpaul play as much as I have seen Martyn play. So far, (I think I got most people, forgive me if I missed you out) this is what people thought:

aussie: Martyn

cricket player: Martyn

FaaipDeOiad: Martyn

C_C: Martyn

Sylvester: Martyn

age_master: Martyn

Deja Moo: Martyn

King_Ponting: Martyn

Mister Wright: Martyn on his current form

Beleg: Chanderpaul in his viewing experience

Jono: Martyn

steds: Martyn

Dasa: Martyn

marc71178: Martyn

Craig: Chanderpaul

tooextracool: Martyn

roseboy64: Chanderpaul

honestbharani: Chanderpaul



By the people I listed, (sorry if I left you out or got anything else wrong) Martyn is winning by a considerable amount.

 

[aussie]

In Mumbai test the difference between the Class of Tendulkar and Martyn was evident.

You are giving too much credit to Martyn for Australia's win in India, in the first test that Aus won, Martyn Contribution was massive 3 & 45. And trust me Australia were lucky that they didn't get turning tracks in Nagpur. Because we saw what happened in Mumbai. Although it is beside the point but the series could have been 2 all had the Rain gods not intervened in Chennai.

And I do know the Quality of Aussie batsmen and love to watch Martyn, but dont tell me that Martyn is in the same class as SRT, BLC, RD etc. Not in this life time.

Firstly what difference in class of Tendulkar to Martyn did you see in the Mumbai test??? that 50 that Martyn scored in Australia's 1st innings was eqaul to a hundred on a good surface without doubt, Tendulkar innings was all shots where he came out and attacked the Australian pacemen a lot of his boundaries went down to 3rd man.

You say that if rain had not fell in Chennai the series would have been two all.... i totally disagree because if you look at the way Australia had the Indian batsmen throughout that series, their was a higher chance of Australia bowling India out than India getting those runs. In the 4 test every track turned considerably except Nagpur while he made runs in Bangalore, Chennai & Mumbai.

While Martyn at the end of his career may not be mentioned in the same class has Ten, Lara & the wall but his recent form in both forms of the game would rank him up with the best in the world.