Who are the Worst International players U've seen?

[Pedro Delgado]

Pedro, just look at my analysis.

SS Das(IND)(BT Average 34.89 2 hundreds against ZIM)
B Pockok(NZ)(BT Average 22)
G Hick(ENG) ( BT Average 31)
M Ramprakash(ENG)(BT Average 27)
J Rudolph(SA) ( BT Av 38 60% runs against Bangladesh and Zim)
S Watson(AUS) (BT 21 Bowling 98.00)
P Patel(IND) (BT 36 Missed catches & Missed stumpings 100)
Ronnie Irani(ENG) ( BT 17 Bowling 38)
Rawl Lewis(WI) ( BT 4.3 Bowling 318.00)
Patterson Thompson(WI) ( BT 8 Bow 43)
Ian Salisbury(ENG) ( BT 16.7 Bowl 77)

If we assume every player performs according to their average,
the total they will make 239

And If we assume all 5 bowlers share 2 wickets each, the opposition team
will end up scoring 1148. This is for an international contest.

Even if you give 30% of benefit to our worst side during club matches, still they will manage to lose by a mammoth margin

I'd suggest that there aren't many clubmen that would be good enough to remove Hick or Ramps, in a month of Sundays. Most club pacemen do not exceed 80mph and the spinners do not hit a consistent line and length. I've played against clubmen and even I managed some runs. Consequently the club batsmen won't have faced the kind of bowling that would be on offer from the above list. There really is quite a gulf between first class cricketers and the rest, even if they may not have pulled up any trees at Test level. The only way I can see your team defeated is if they came up against a club with some decent ex-international ringers in it.

 

[SJS]

I am surprised that Indian fans think so porly of SS Das.

He was for sometime the number one choice opener for Indias and he loked the part. He had solid defense and strokes of both feet. A classical opening batsman. When he suddenly dropped out of reckoning it came as a big surprise to many students of the game.

Of course, he was the unglamourous type who (Sanjay Bangar is a classic example) dont last long in India.

I tried to check from my sources what happened to him. I remember being told about some problem with the short fast ball after he was hot on the head in some match but havent got a confirmation on it. It could be true.

He was also an exceptionally brilliant fielder at short leg.

I can count fifty cricketers from India who were worse than him without having to look up a shet of paper or a list on the net.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

I am surprised that Indian fans think so porly of SS Das.

He was for sometime the number one choice opener for Indias and he loked the part. He had solid defense and strokes of both feet. A classical opening batsman. When he suddenly dropped out of reckoning it came as a big surprise to many students of the game.

Of course, he was the unglamourous type who (Sanjay Bangar is a classic example) dont last long in India.

I tried to check from my sources what happened to him. I remember being told about some problem with the short fast ball after he was hot on the head in some match but havent got a confirmation on it. It could be true.

He was also an exceptionally brilliant fielder at short leg.

I can count fifty cricketers from India who were worse than him without having to look up a shet of paper or a list on the net.

See SJS, i can also count 100 cricketers from India worse than him. But the fact of the matter is i have considered openers who were given an extended run and failed consistently. Well he had scored 2 test hundreds, and both came against the hapless Zimbabweans.

And he was made to open in all the five tests against WI and most of the time he came up with single digits and he did not even make a 40 in all the 8 innings he had played.

Being an opener does not mean you have to be dogged and go strokeless for 3 hours and get out as proved by the likes of Sehwag, Grame Smith , Devon Smith and others.

Dont bring Sanjay Bangar into the discussion as I am a great fan of him , a batsman who is capable of changing gears at will, which he demonstrated against ZIM with a rapid fire 100.

You dont have to too far to know what happened to SS Das. Just in the recent concluded Duleep trophy 2nd round of matches he scored a 10 and a single digit score.

 

[SJS]

See SJS, i can also count 100 cricketers from India worse than him. But the fact of the matter is i have considered openers who were given an extended run and failed consistently. Well he had scored 2 test hundreds, and both came against the hapless Zimbabweans.

And he was made to open in all the five tests against WI and most of the time he came up with single digits and he did not even make a 40 in all the 8 innings he had played.

Being an opener does not mean you have to be dogged and go strokeless for 3 hours and get out as proved by the likes of Sehwag, Grame Smith , Devon Smith and others.

Dont bring Sanjay Bangar into the discussion as I am a great fan of him , a batsman who is capable of changing gears at will, which he demonstrated against ZIM with a rapid fire 100.

You dont have to too far to know what happened to SS Das. Just in the recent concluded Duleep trophy 2nd round of matches he scored a 10 and a single digit score.

I disagree but we can live with that its a matter of opinion. If you want this to be discussed it can be discussed at great length irrespective of whether it is 50 or 100 cricketers worse than him.

I am not concerned with what he is doing now. I never said he should be playing for India.

I never even said he shouldnt have ben dropped in the first place.

I just said, he was very good for a reasonable long time for an opener in India.

And this point can be debated at length.

As for the hapless Zimbabweans, I think you would be better off to check the Zimbabwe team of that time and how India 'trampled' them on tour

 

[ramkumar_gr]

I disagree but we can live with that its a matter of opinion. If you want this to be discussed it can be discussed at great length irrespective of whether it is 50 or 100 cricketers worse than him.

I am not concerned with what he is doing now. I never said he should be playing for India.

I never even said he shouldnt have ben dropped in the first place.

I just said, he was very good for a reasonable long time for an opener in India.

And this point can be debated at length.

As for the hapless Zimbabweans, I think you would be better off to check the Zimbabwe team of that time and how India 'trampled' them on tour

Let us settle for that. He was given a very good run and wasted the selectors' time and was one of the reasons for india's defeat at the hands of an under-performing WI. Got out to poor Mervyn Dhillon(considered unfit for test matches) so many times.

May be Debang Gandhi deserves a place ahead of SS Das.

 

[Tim]

I think the prize for worst NZ player would have to go to Murphy Sua'a, closely followed by Richard De Groen.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

I think the prize for worst NZ player would have to go to Murphy Sua'a, closely followed by Richard De Groen.

The only reason i did not include him was because Sua was a very useful and unpredictable batsman.

 

[Tim]

errr, you mean bowler right? Sua'a could barely hold a bat.
And even if you meant bowler, i'd be disagreeing with you...he was terrible.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

errr, you mean bowler right? Sua'a could barely hold a bat.
And even if you meant bowler, i'd be disagreeing with you...he was terrible.

I meant batting and i remember seeing him score a quickfire 30 or 40 in one of those test matches.

 

[Tim]

Yes, he did have a highest score of 44 but I think you're being very generous. He benefited greatly from a shocking dirth of even decent first class bowlers around 1993/1994.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Yes, he did have a highest score of 44 but I think you're being very generous. He benefited greatly from a shocking dirth of even decent first class bowlers around 1993/1994.

May be he deserves a place ahead of Richard. OK. agreed.

But how about having Pocock as the opener??

 

[Tim]

From NZ, batting wise..it's a toss up between the two Blair's, Hartland & Pocock.

I'd probably go with Pocock too.

 

[SJS]

Let us settle for that. He was given a very good run and wasted the selectors' time and was one of the reasons for india's defeat at the hands of an under-performing WI. Got out to poor Mervyn Dhillon(considered unfit for test matches) so many times.

May be Debang Gandhi deserves a place ahead of SS Das.

Did you see him bat, by the way ?

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Did you see him bat, by the way ?

yes man, i watched all the matches. If you want to watch the pathetic display, just watch Ten sports in the evenings where they are telecasting the highlights of that particular series.

 

[Smudge]

errr, you mean bowler right? Sua'a could barely hold a bat.
And even if you meant bowler, i'd be disagreeing with you...he was terrible.

Yes he could. Not sure what memories you have of him, but he could actually look quite classy at times - had a nice drive. They used him occasionally as nigh****chman. Averaged 12 with the bat for NZ, and 18 in FC cricket. He could hold a bat.

http://www.cricketarchive.com/NewZealand/Players/2/2002/2002.html

He went on to become a golf pro in Tasmania, so he never had an issue with timing.

 

[SJS]

yes man, i watched all the matches. If you want to watch the pathetic display, just watch Ten sports in the evenings where they are telecasting the highlights of that particular series.

No thanks. I dont watch much cricket myself.

 

[Steulen]

Yes he could. Not sure what memories you have of him, but he could actually look quite classy at times - had a nice drive. They used him occasionally as nigh****chman . Averaged 12 with the bat for NZ, and 18 in FC cricket. He could hold a bat.

http://www.cricketarchive.com/NewZealand/Players/2/2002/2002.html

He went on to become a golf pro in Tasmania, so he never had an issue with timing.

This is an absolutely brilliant piece of work by the swearword filter...simply amazing

 

[luckyeddie]

This is an absolutely brilliant piece of work by the swearword filter...simply amazing

That's why I use a hyphen.

 

[Anna]

Rob Key- simply because they've still got him in the frame, which has meant they've dropped James Hildreth from the academy

 

[wpdavid]

Rob Key- simply because they've still got him in the frame, which has meant they've dropped James Hildreth from the academy

Of course, the trouble with having Big Robert in the frame is that it doesn't leave a lot of room for anyone else.