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[marc71178]

Tendulkar as captain averages 6 lower.

his record as captain is 4 wins, 9 losses and 12 draws....

So you're going to say that's a reason for him not to be in?

You really are blinkered.

 

[benchmark00]

Hayden
Smith
Tendulkar
Ponting
Fleming (c)
Rhodes
Gilchrist
Akram
Warne
Bond
McGrath/Murali depending on the pitch.

Very unlucky: Langer, Gibbs, Lara, Dravid, Kallis, Cairns, Richardson, Flintoff, Walsh, Ambrose, M & S Waugh, Danny Morrison.

This team was picked on the games I have personally watched, which definitely makes it pretty inaccurate as to a realistic team.

And I openly admit that I put Rhodes and Ponting in there above Dravid, Kallis and Lara purely due to the desire to have argubly the two best fielders in recent cricket history (that can actually warrant a World XI position with their batting, unlike Symonds). Ponting + Rhodes would make me a very happy person.

hmmmm just asking, not accusing.... but would you really have shane bond in the best 11 cricketers you have ever seen?.... i know he's good but best 11?...

 

[C_C]

the captain isnt really in charge of developing a player, however he does bring out the best in players, and waugh, going on statistics, was a more successful captain, no doubt about it

disagree.
Captain plays a crucial role in developing a player after he makes it to the intl. stage.
and statistics are dependent on the TEAM...not captain.
Put simply, the OZ team of recent times, WI of the 70s/80s, bradman's invicibles etc. were minimally affected by captaincy nous....they would've won even on autopilot, as proven by Gillchrist leading OZ to a win.
Captaincy skill is an intangiable...its based on how well you read the game, how well you develop the players, your bowling changes, field placings etc etc.
Overall, Waugh was a good captain, not a great one.

 

[benchmark00]

i disagree, the coach is obviously ultimately there to aid development of players, the captain runs the onfield stuff... but by your own reasoning wouldnt gilchrist have been developed as a captain by waugh??.. its funny how its the captain when its your point, but when its me saying something its just the team

 

[age_master]

So you're going to say that's a reason for him not to be in?

You really are blinkered.

no hes not in because i dont like him, someone else said they thought he should be captain or something similar so i posted his captaincy record.

 

[Deja moo]

no hes not in because i dont like him, someone else said they thought he should be captain or something similar so i posted his captaincy record.

His captaincy record is bad because he was given the worst Indian team to ever leave Indian shores for a long time. He publicly expressed his disappointment at not being given the players he wanted.

 

[C_C]

i disagree, the coach is obviously ultimately there to aid development of players, the captain runs the onfield stuff... but by your own reasoning wouldnt gilchrist have been developed as a captain by waugh??.. its funny how its the captain when its your point, but when its me saying something its just the team

you obviously know very little of cricket.
I didnt say captain is the ONLY person to develop a player...coach is another but captain plays a part, particularly in the mentoring of players.

 

[benchmark00]

you obviously know very little of cricket.
I didnt say captain is the ONLY person to develop a player...coach is another but captain plays a part, particularly in the mentoring of players.

mate i know way more about how the game is played than you, i myself am a captain of a side...

the fact is that you are not willing to accept other peoples views and opinions... GET A LIFE... and stop being so stubborn

 

[vic_orthdox]

what a captain, and in this case steve waugh, does most is that he shows faith in his players, by pushing for their selection and publicly supporting them in the media. it would be fair to say that most of the "development" of players such as langer, hayden and martyn are mostly through the technical tightening of their games and the maturing of the mental side of their cricket, which one could well argue came mostly through their extended absences from the australian side while they were playing for their domestic teams. the states don't receive enough recognition for the roles that they have played in the rejuvenation of the careers of these type of players.

 

[C_C]

mate i know way more about how the game is played than you, i myself am a captain of a side...

the fact is that you are not willing to accept other peoples views and opinions... GET A LIFE... and stop being so stubborn

and you think i wasnt ?
My views are backed up by cricket experts like Gideon Haigh, CLR James, Clive Lloyd, MAK Pataudi, Mark Taylor, Mikey Holding, Viv Richards, Harbhajan Singh, Malcolm Marshall, Gordon Greenidge, etc etc etc.....

I would suggest you go educate yourself before engaging me first.

 

[vic_orthdox]

oh dear. i wouldn't be claiming gideon haigh as a cricket expert. he's playing seconds at local club south yarra in melbourne, in a suburban competition. talented writer and exponent of the english language, yes; cricket expert in the company of the others that you mention, no.

and im not saying that your wrong!

 

[benchmark00]

and you think i wasnt ?
My views are backed up by cricket experts like Gideon Haigh, CLR James, Clive Lloyd, MAK Pataudi, Mark Taylor, Mikey Holding, Viv Richards, Harbhajan Singh, Malcolm Marshall, Gordon Greenidge, etc etc etc.....

I would suggest you go educate yourself before engaging me first.

ohk so mark taylor has said he was a better captain then waugh??

Find some facts ********

 

[C_C]

ohk so mark taylor has said he was a better captain then waugh??

Find some facts ********

Your comprehension skills are astonshingly poor.
What my comment means is that my opinion ( that captains play a very important part in the development of new players in the team) is backed up by those abovementioned names.

I am sorry for assuming you would be able to make sense of a comment that is undestandable to most.

 

[benchmark00]

Your comprehension skills are astonshingly poor.
What my comment means is that my opinion ( that captains play a very important part in the development of new players in the team) is backed up by those abovementioned names.

I am sorry for assuming you would be able to make sense of a comment that is undestandable to most.

i think your point was that taylor was a better captain then waugh..... with you saying that taylor etc backs up your point..... hmmmm deduce your own outcomes

 

[C_C]

i think your point was that taylor was a better captain then waugh..... with you saying that taylor etc backs up your point..... hmmmm deduce your own outcomes

no. my point was taylor is a better captain than waugh because he played a bigger role in developing players and showed a more astute understanding of bowling changes and field placements.

You disputed the player development aspect and i named the sources that agree with my claim.
Get it ?
or does it have to be even more simpler than this ?

 

[benchmark00]

Steve Waugh revolutionised australian cricket... no longer were the australians a defensive unit.... he ahs played a bigger role in the development of the game then taylor

 

[C_C]

Steve Waugh revolutionised australian cricket... no longer were the australians a defensive unit.... he ahs played a bigger role in the development of the game then taylor

<deep breath>
Once again, that revolution showed its start under Taylor and the seeds were sown under border's reign.
Like i said, Waugh reaped the benifits of the hard work done under border and Taylor...just like in Viv Richards' case.

 

[benchmark00]

<deep breath>
Once again, that revolution showed its start under Taylor and the seeds were sown under border's reign.
Like i said, Waugh reaped the benifits of the hard work done under border and Taylor...just like in Viv Richards' case.

how can you possible say that without any doubt???????????

i dont see it as any FACT as you like to say

 

[C_C]

how can you possible say that without any doubt???????????

i dont see it as any FACT as you like to say

those FACTS are present in the hundreds and hundreds of hours of recorded games from the 80s.
This is an intangiable we are talking about- captaincy skill...not a concrete statistic.
And the reason i can say that without any doubt is because i WATCHED cricket from Border's days.

 

[KennyD]

I dont believe Taylor was a better on field captain than Waugh, but I believe him to have done more in 'bringing Australia up' to the top level. He inherited a team that wasn't fantastic, unlike the team Steve Waugh inherited. He just turned his fantastic team into an agressive, hard, fantastic team.